Not to derail your thread (he says as he derails it), but since you're Mr. Rigorous Logic Dude, what are your thoughts on punishments being determined more by outcomes than by behavior and intent? e.g.: Guy gets a little drunk and runs a stop sign. A cop witnesses it. So the guy loses his license for a couple months, or whatever. But if a school bus happens to be going through the intersection when he runs the stop sign, and several children are killed, he's put away for a long time. The only difference being that he got lucky in the first example, and unlucky in the second (but his intentions and behavior were identical). Is it appropriate to radically alter the severity of a punishment based on factors outside the control of the violator?