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    Default it is your destiny to fall or rise

    a lot of people are ordained to just fall from grace or rise into grace.
    simple, jesus said to john the revelator when he was in patmos, I am the alpha and omega, he beginning and the end, the first and the last.
    he knows what choices you are going to make.
    In order for society to survive, we must all pitch in and cooperate with one another, split the resources fairly.
    If we get greedy, everything will fall apart
    The main reason why there is no long peace is because everything is set and stone.
    Another is that resources are limited and the ones who had the most goes bad because they are in control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by draon9 View Post
    a lot of people are ordained to just fall from grace or rise into grace.
    simple, jesus said to john the revelator when he was in patmos, I am the alpha and omega, he beginning and the end, the first and the last.
    he knows what choices you are going to make.
    Pre-destination is a heresy, anyone who understands the life and ministry of Jesus, in particular the significance of healing leprosy or cripples and the blind, will know that he rejected the Jewish versions of the idea clean out of hand.

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    I reject the idea of destiny, fate, pre-desitination et al, what would be the point of exerting will in that case?
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    I don't think I have a destiny. I have the ability to make my own choices which culminates in consequences that lead me into things that happen in my life. What I am, what I accomplish is entirely up to myself only.
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    The flip side of destiny is fatalism and I dont like the idea of either.
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    I agree with the three users above in this regard. Destiny is a tool used by rulers to convince their subjects that they have no say in life.
    We will meet again in Etruria.

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    I fall and rise everyday. Clumsy bastard + gravity.
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    Who are all these new users?

    Anyway, I'm not a believer in predestination or fate but I do believe in some sorts of determinism and diminished responsibility, although while I believe those circumstances do exist I think that its important that personal responsibility and free agency are guiding principles as the alternative IS fatalistic resulting in feeding the powerlessness instead of the hope or possibility of change

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Who are all these new users?

    Anyway, I'm not a believer in predestination or fate but I do believe in some sorts of determinism and diminished responsibility, although while I believe those circumstances do exist I think that its important that personal responsibility and free agency are guiding principles as the alternative IS fatalistic resulting in feeding the powerlessness instead of the hope or possibility of change
    Sounds like Calvinist doctrine.

    P.S., I'm not a believer in predestination either. The scripture that folks often use to support predestination, I can see them as misinterpreted or taken out of context. To me, squabbling over such topics is fruitless and loses sight of Jesus.

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