Zhuan Falun (Turning The Law Wheel)

[EnergyGem]

Hi all,

New member here. : )

I've come across a fascinating book that talks about high level spiritual things from a scientific perspective. This book is intriguing as it talks about many similar things to what people in mystical states mention such as seeing into parallel dimensions and interacting with beings from other worlds etc.

This book is called Zhuan Falun and it is from the Buddha Law School of Cultivation however it is not Buddhism the religion or Daoism the religion, it's something more profound. It seems to me to be more of a spiritual science as many of the terms and concepts in the book are talked about in a scientific down to earth manner instead of flowery mystical prose which I found very refreshing.

Now here is where it gets interesting, this book talks about the following things:


Other Dimensions - Levels Of Dimensions spanning into the microcosm and also outwards into the macrocosm

The Soul - It talks about people having a Master soul and a subordinate soul which is hidden from you but is at a more advanced level then you, it states some people have more then one Subordinate soul and some are of not of the same sex as you i.e males having a female subordinate soul etc.

Microcosmic worlds - This concept was very far out but it talks about there being worlds within you, countless worlds. Similar to our world with life , water, animals etc. An analogy is zooming an an atom within one of your cells and realizing at that level of magnification it is just like our solar system. Then zooming into a single particle in that world and finding out it too is a vast world, apparently the level it can go onwards like this is beyond imagination.

Supernatural Abilities - In the book they mention that everyone has them it is just that they have atrophied. It goes into depth about this topic. Some abilities that are mentioned are precognition, retrocognition and remote vision.

The 3rd Eye - Talks about how at the front part of our pineal gland there is a complete structure of an eye there. Modern science calls it a vestigial eye but in the cultivation world they say this eye just naturally exists like that and it can be activated allowing one to pierce through this dimension and see other dimensions. It talks about how there are many levels to this 3rd eye and it goes into great depth about it.

Thoughts - This part was amazing. It talks about how a human brain is just a processing plant. How the real you is actually your soul, it's like your whole body and brain is just a vehicle and that the true commands are issued by your master soul, but this master soul is very tiny and it can switch positions while inside you and it can also expand and shrink. It can move from your brain to your heart and to other parts of your body and it is 'he' who calls the shots. Your brain is just the factory which your master soul sends his cosmic commands to which then create the forms of expression and communication we use such as speech, gestures, etc.



These are just a few things that are covered but there are many many other things which blew my mind when I read it because of how it resonated with some of the mystical experiences people sometimes have, especially the multidimensional nature of reality and how all of them are hidden in our day to day perceptions of the world.

If this sounds interesting to anyone you can grab a copy of the book here:

http://en.falundafa.org/eng/pdf/ZFL2014.pdf

 

[Mole]

Hi all,

New member here. : )

I've come across a fascinating book that talks about high level spiritual things from a scientific perspective. This book is intriguing as it talks about many similar things to what people in mystical states mention such as seeing into parallel dimensions and interacting with beings from other worlds etc.

This book is called Zhuan Falun and it is from the Buddha Law School of Cultivation however it is not Buddhism the religion or Daoism the religion, it's something more profound. It seems to me to be more of a spiritual science as many of the terms and concepts in the book are talked about in a scientific down to earth manner instead of flowery mystical prose which I found very refreshing.

Now here is where it gets interesting, this book talks about the following things:

Other Dimensions - Levels Of Dimensions spanning into the microcosm and also outwards into the macrocosm

The Soul - It talks about people having a Master soul and a subordinate soul which is hidden from you but is at a more advanced level then you, it states some people have more then one Subordinate soul and some are of not of the same sex as you i.e males having a female subordinate soul etc.

Microcosmic worlds - This concept was very far out but it talks about there being worlds within you, countless worlds. Similar to our world with life , water, animals etc. An analogy is zooming an an atom within one of your cells and realizing at that level of magnification it is just like our solar system. Then zooming into a single particle in that world and finding out it too is a vast world, apparently the level it can go onwards like this is beyond imagination.

Supernatural Abilities - In the book they mention that everyone has them it is just that they have atrophied. It goes into depth about this topic. Some abilities that are mentioned are precognition, retrocognition and remote vision.

The 3rd Eye - Talks about how at the front part of our pineal gland there is a complete structure of an eye there. Modern science calls it a vestigial eye but in the cultivation world they say this eye just naturally exists like that and it can be activated allowing one to pierce through this dimension and see other dimensions. It talks about how there are many levels to this 3rd eye and it goes into great depth about it.

Thoughts - This part was amazing. It talks about how a human brain is just a processing plant. How the real you is actually your soul, it's like your whole body and brain is just a vehicle and that the true commands are issued by your master soul, but this master soul is very tiny and it can switch positions while inside you and it can also expand and shrink. It can move from your brain to your heart and to other parts of your body and it is 'he' who calls the shots. Your brain is just the factory which your master soul sends his cosmic commands to which then create the forms of expression and communication we use such as speech, gestures, etc.

These are just a few things that are covered but there are many many other things which blew my mind when I read it because of how it resonated with some of the mystical experiences people sometimes have, especially the multidimensional nature of reality and how all of them are hidden in our day to day perceptions of the world.

If this sounds interesting to anyone you can grab a copy of the book here:

http://en.falundafa.org/eng/pdf/ZFL2014.pdf

Falun Gong is interesting. It is part of the very long history of China which is authoritarian and without a loyal opposition. And being without a loyal opposition China has created a substitute in religious movements. So political opposition must be hidden in China, and historically it has been hidden in religious movements.

And Falun Gong is such a religious movement of covert political opposition. Falun Gong presents itself as innocuous, while presenting vicious attacks on the authoritarian government of China.

For a liberal democratic Westerner Falun Gong appeals to us because of their opposition to an authoritarian State, but should we give in to temptation and support Falun Gong, we are jumping from the frying pan into the fire, for Falun Gong are as authoritarian as the Communist Party of China.

The authoritarian leader of Falun Gong is Master Li, and Master Li cannot be questioned.

 

[EnergyGem]

Falun Gong is interesting. It is part of the very long history of China which is authoritarian and without a loyal opposition. And being without a loyal opposition China has created a substitute in religious movements. So political opposition must be hidden in China, and historically it has been hidden in religious movements.

And Falun Gong is such a religious movement of covert political opposition. Falun Gong presents itself as innocuous, while presenting vicious attacks on the authoritarian government of China.

For a liberal democratic Westerner Falun Gong appeals to us because of their opposition to an authoritarian State, but should we give in to temptation and support Falun Gong, we are jumping from the frying pan into the fire, for Falun Gong are as authoritarian as the Communist Party of China.

The authoritarian leader of Falun Gong is Master Li, and Master Li cannot be questioned.

Falun Dafa is based on the precepts of Truthfulness, Compassion and Forbearance and has never attacked anyone, it only kindly points of the persecution that the Chinese Communist Government has foisted upon it. The truly vicious ones are the Chinese Communist Party who have imprisoned, tortured and harvested the organs of thousands of Falun Dafa practitioners in mainland China, truly something demonic:

Persecution | Falun Dafa - Minghui.org

Witness to a killing during live organ harvesting of Falun Gong practitioner - YouTube


The whole world supports Falun Dafa apart from the evil Chinese Communist Party who is still persecuting it:

"By April 2001, Mr. Li Hongzhi had received over 340 awards and proclamations from Australia, Canada, China (before crackdown), Japan, Russia, and the U.S. in recognition of the extraordinary contributions to people's spiritual and physical health, and to freedom of belief in the world. These include certificates of recognition from several governmental bodies in the United States – including Honorary Citizenship awarded by The State of Georgia and city of Atlanta.

On 14 March 2001, The Freedom House bestowed Li Hongzhi and Falun Gong with an International Religious Freedom Award for the advancement of religious and spiritual freedom at a ceremony in the United States Senate. In the same year, Li was ranked the most powerful communicator in Asia by Asiaweek magazine "for his power to inspire, to mobilize people and to spook Beijing".He was nominated for the 2001 Sakharov Prize by over 25 members of European Parliament, was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2000 and 2001, and in 2013 was ranked by Foreign Policy Magazine as one of the 500 most powerful people in the world."

Source: Li Hongzhi - Wikipedia

It has also healed thousands of people from various ailments, a whole book has been written on it's rejuvinating and healing effects:

New Book: Life and Hope Renewed - The Healing Power of Falun Dafa | Falun Dafa - Minghui.org

 

[Cellmold]

I'm curious about low level spiritual things, personally.

Since levels imply size and looking at the universe we find concerns of size outside of our immediate cultural values or earth - based perceptions, are meaningless. Or if not meaningless, then so much a part of a spectrum of differences, all of which are fascinating.

 

[Mole]

Falun Dafa is based on the precepts of Truthfulness, Compassion and Forbearance and has never attacked anyone, it only kindly points of the persecution that the Chinese Communist Government has foisted upon it. The truly vicious ones are the Chinese Communist Party who have imprisoned, tortured and harvested the organs of thousands of Falun Dafa practitioners in mainland China, truly something demonic:

Persecution | Falun Dafa - Minghui.org

Witness to a killing during live organ harvesting of Falun Gong practitioner - YouTube


The whole world supports Falun Dafa apart from the evil Chinese Communist Party who is still persecuting it:

"By April 2001, Mr. Li Hongzhi had received over 340 awards and proclamations from Australia, Canada, China (before crackdown), Japan, Russia, and the U.S. in recognition of the extraordinary contributions to people's spiritual and physical health, and to freedom of belief in the world. These include certificates of recognition from several governmental bodies in the United States – including Honorary Citizenship awarded by The State of Georgia and city of Atlanta.

On 14 March 2001, The Freedom House bestowed Li Hongzhi and Falun Gong with an International Religious Freedom Award for the advancement of religious and spiritual freedom at a ceremony in the United States Senate. In the same year, Li was ranked the most powerful communicator in Asia by Asiaweek magazine "for his power to inspire, to mobilize people and to spook Beijing".He was nominated for the 2001 Sakharov Prize by over 25 members of European Parliament, was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize in 2000 and 2001, and in 2013 was ranked by Foreign Policy Magazine as one of the 500 most powerful people in the world."

Source: Li Hongzhi - Wikipedia

It has also healed thousands of people from various ailments, a whole book has been written on it's rejuvinating and healing effects:

New Book: Life and Hope Renewed - The Healing Power of Falun Dafa | Falun Dafa - Minghui.org

This is Falun Gong propaganda and follows in Master Li's footsteps in eschewing critical thinking. What do you take us for?

 

[EnergyGem]

This is Falun Gong propaganda and follows in Master Li's footsteps in eschewing critical thinking. What do you take us for?

It's not propaganda, it's the Truth.

The one's who are truly spreading propaganda are the Chinese Communist Party, they are masters of propaganda and deceit:

Propaganda | Falun Dafa - Minghui.org

Internet Water Army - Wikipedia

 

[Mole]

It's not propaganda, it's the Truth.

The one's who are truly spreading propaganda are the Chinese Communist Party, they are masters of propaganda and deceit:

Propaganda | Falun Dafa - Minghui.org

Internet Water Army - Wikipedia

It's true the Communist Party of China is authoritarian, and disregards human rights, and does persecute Falun Gong members, so we are naturally sympathetic to Falun Gong, but this is a conflict between two Chinese political groups. And both are authoritarian and both are in the Chinese tradition, not the Western tradition.

Falun Gong are trying to recruit Westerners to their authoritarian political religion, but they give themselves away by only applying critical thought to the Communist Party of China and never to themselves, and never to their leader, Master Li.

 

[EnergyGem]

It's true the Communist Party of China is authoritarian, and disregards human rights, and does persecute Falun Gong members, so we are naturally sympathetic to Falun Gong, but this is a conflict between two Chinese political groups. And both are authoritarian and both are in the Chinese tradition, not the Western tradition.

Falun Gong are trying to recruit Westerners to their authoritarian political religion, but they give themselves away by only applying critical thought to the Communist Party of China and never to themselves, and never to their leader, Master Li.

How is Falun Dafa political? Can you find something in Zhuan Falun that's political? It doesn't get involved in politics in the least, it's just that if good hearted people are being persecuted for their beliefs by the CCP people are going to speak out against it and raise awareness of this crime. There is not even a trace of anything political in Falun Dafa.

 

[Mole]

How is Falun Dafa political? Can you find something in Zhuan Falun that's political? It doesn't get involved in politics in the least, it's just that if good hearted people are being persecuted for their beliefs by the CCP people are going to speak out against it and raise awareness of this crime. There is not even a trace of anything political in Falun Dafa.

C'mon, I walk past the Chinese Embassy on my way to the Yacht Club regularly, and outside the Embassy is a political protest by Falun Gong. I speak to them and they never give me anything but political propaganda, just as you do here.

The Chinese Embassy complains about the political protest on their front doorstep, and ask the Australian Government to remove the Falun Gong, but alas for the Chinese Government we have free political speech in Australia. And the Falun Gong continue their political protest in the face of their political enemy.

A few Westerners are taken in by Master Li, but the main political conflict is between the Communist Party of China and Master Li and Falun Gong. And what is important for the naive and trusting is that neither the Communist Party of China nor Master Li and Falun Gong are liberal democratic, but both are authoritarian.

 

[EnergyGem]

C'mon, I walk past the Chinese Embassy on my way to the Yacht Club regularly, and outside the Embassy is a political protest by Falun Gong. I speak to them and they never give me anything but political propaganda, just as you do here.

The Chinese Embassy complains about the political protest on their front doorstep, and ask the Australian Government to remove the Falun Gong, but alas for the Chinese Government we have free political speech in Australia. And the Falun Gong continue their political protest in the face of their political enemy.

A few Westerners are taken in by Master Li, but the main political conflict is between the Communist Party of China and Master Li and Falun Gong. And what is important for the naive and trusting is that neither the Communist Party of China nor Master Li and Falun Gong are liberal democratic, but both are authoritarian.

If a government ( namely the Chinese Communist Party) is imprisoning, torturing and performing live organ harvesting operations on Falun Dafa disciples you think they should not raise awareness about these unspeakably heinous crimes and just stay quiet?

The whole world knows that the CCP is just really a mafia based on fear, deceit and strife. Even the U.N knows what is occuring with Falun Dafa in mainland China:

Falun Gong Organ Harvesting Takes Center Stage at US Congress and UN - YouTube


There's nothing authoritarian about Master Li Hongzhi or Falun Dafa. In fact, it states in Zhuan Falun that if one does not want to cultivate, that's totally up to them:

excerpt 1:

"Here we’re teaching you to take the right path, and along with that, we’re teaching you the Law inside and out and encouraging you to have your own understanding of it, but it’s still up to you whether you decide to learn it. The master leads you through the door, but cultivation is up to you. Nobody’s going to push you to cultivate. It’s up to you whether you cultivate. Or to put it another way, when you choose your own path, when you decide what you want, or when you’re trying to get something—nobody will stop you. They can only try to kindly persuade you"

excerpt 2:

"Our Falun Dafa is one of the Buddhist system’s 84,000 disciplines. It’s never been passed on to the general public before during this period of civilization, but it did once save people on a large scale in a prehistoric age. Today I’m spreading it again widely during this final period of the kalpa’s end, so it’s just extremely precious."

excerpt 3:

"I’m not saying you have to learn my Falun Dafa, but I can say that what I’m doing is sharing some principles with you. If you want to cultivate you have to commit to one discipline, or else you won’t be able to cultivate one bit. Of course, if you don’t want to cultivate we’ll leave you alone. The Law is meant to be heard by people who really cultivate."

 

[Agent Washington]

Why do I get advertisement for Falungong vibes.

A quick glance at the exchange shows Mole is probably right, since I didn't bother to read.

And your quotes sound a) unsourced b) like bs c) convinces me it's probably right for China to crack down on your cult. We don't need more shitty cults in the world.

XOXO,
I study History.

 

[Mole]

If a government ( namely the Chinese Communist Party) is imprisoning, torturing and performing live organ harvesting operations on Falun Dafa disciples you think they should not raise awareness about these unspeakably heinous crimes and just stay quiet?

The whole world knows that the CCP is just really a mafia based on fear, deceit and strife. Even the U.N knows what is occuring with Falun Dafa in mainland China:

Falun Gong Organ Harvesting Takes Center Stage at US Congress and UN - YouTube


There's nothing authoritarian about Master Li Hongzhi or Falun Dafa. In fact, it states in Zhuan Falun that if one does not want to cultivate, that's totally up to them:

excerpt 1:

"Here we’re teaching you to take the right path, and along with that, we’re teaching you the Law inside and out and encouraging you to have your own understanding of it, but it’s still up to you whether you decide to learn it. The master leads you through the door, but cultivation is up to you. Nobody’s going to push you to cultivate. It’s up to you whether you cultivate. Or to put it another way, when you choose your own path, when you decide what you want, or when you’re trying to get something—nobody will stop you. They can only try to kindly persuade you"

excerpt 2:

"Our Falun Dafa is one of the Buddhist system’s 84,000 disciplines. It’s never been passed on to the general public before during this period of civilization, but it did once save people on a large scale in a prehistoric age. Today I’m spreading it again widely during this final period of the kalpa’s end, so it’s just extremely precious."

excerpt 3:

"I’m not saying you have to learn my Falun Dafa, but I can say that what I’m doing is sharing some principles with you. If you want to cultivate you have to commit to one discipline, or else you won’t be able to cultivate one bit. Of course, if you don’t want to cultivate we’ll leave you alone. The Law is meant to be heard by people who really cultivate."

We should all protest the persecution of Falun Gong by the Communist Party of China, however we are wise to learn the history of China.

Chinese history is characterised by autocratic government and the persecution of opposition, just as we see today. And we note that political opposition in China can't speak its name, so it flies under the flag of religion.

It is of interest to me that Falun Gong and Master Li act in Australia as though they were still in China. They still fly under the false flag of religion. This amazes me as they act as though Australians have the same mindset as Chinese in China.

The simple fact is that Australians have a liberal democratic mindset and support the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and after 5,000 years of Chinese history Chinese have an authoritarian mindset and reject human rights and the rule of law.

This is true of both the Communist Party of China and Master Li and Falun Gong.

Both the Communist Party and Falun Gong are sophisticated and well resourced and both are authoritarian in the Chinese tradition.

The sad thing is that Falun Gong in Australia are taking Australians for a ride.

 

[Mole]

A quick glance at the exchange shows Mole is probably right, since I didn't bother to read.

Blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. - John 20:29.

 

[EnergyGem]

Why do I get advertisement for Falungong vibes.

A quick glance at the exchange shows Mole is probably right, since I didn't bother to read.

And your quotes sound a) unsourced b) like bs c) convinces me it's probably right for China to crack down on your cult. We don't need more shitty cults in the world.

XOXO,
I study History.

All the sources are legitimate, how are they unsourced? If you didn't bother to read how can you really know what is occurring?

The Truth is that the CCP government is torturing thousands of good hearted people just because they follow the precepts of Truthfulness, Compassion and Forebearance, do you think that people should just stay quiet in the face of such evil?

We should all protest the persecution of Falun Gong by the Communist Party of China, however we are wise to learn the history of China.

Chinese history is characterised by autocratic government and the persecution of opposition, just as we see today. And we note that political opposition in China can't speak its name, so it flies under the flag of religion.

It is of interest to me that Falun Gong and Master Li act in Australia as though they were still in China. They still fly under the false flag of religion. This amazes me as they act as though Australians have the same mindset as Chinese in China.

The simple fact is that Australians have a liberal democratic mindset and support the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and after 5,000 years of Chinese history Chinese have an authoritarian mindset and reject human rights and the rule of law.

This is true of both the Communist Party of China and Master Li and Falun Gong.

Both the Communist Party and Falun Gong are sophisticated and well resourced and both are authoritarian in the Chinese tradition.

The sad thing is that Falun Gong in Australia are taking Australians for a ride.

The Chinese History was never steeped in Communism, they had Dynasties for thousands of years and were a deeply spiritually people that revered God's and Goodness. Their art, culture and morality were very high. It's only after that wicked Communist spectre infected China is when it went into decline and started becoming atheistic and morally corrupt.

To understand how the Communist cult infected and corrupted China in detail I highly recommend reading this, it uncovers the underbelly of Communist rule and China, it Truly is an evil cult of strife, fear and deceit:

Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party 九評共產黨

 

[EnergyGem]

Why do I get advertisement for Falungong vibes.

A quick glance at the exchange shows Mole is probably right, since I didn't bother to read.

And your quotes sound a) unsourced b) like bs c) convinces me it's probably right for China to crack down on your cult. We don't need more shitty cults in the world.

XOXO,
I study History.

I'm not advertising anything, I'm just sharing a powerful QiGong system with people that goes far beyond just healing and fitness. It's also completely free to checkout. If this doesn't resonate with you or you don't find it of interest, that's perfectly fine too.

However in saying this, If you didn't bother to read the thread then you don't know what is Truly occurring. The Chinese Communist Party is torturing thousands of people just because they want to be good people and follow the precepts of Truthfulness, Compassion and Forebearance, how can people not oppose such evil?

We should all protest the persecution of Falun Gong by the Communist Party of China, however we are wise to learn the history of China.

Chinese history is characterised by autocratic government and the persecution of opposition, just as we see today. And we note that political opposition in China can't speak its name, so it flies under the flag of religion.

It is of interest to me that Falun Gong and Master Li act in Australia as though they were still in China. They still fly under the false flag of religion. This amazes me as they act as though Australians have the same mindset as Chinese in China.

The simple fact is that Australians have a liberal democratic mindset and support the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and after 5,000 years of Chinese history Chinese have an authoritarian mindset and reject human rights and the rule of law.

This is true of both the Communist Party of China and Master Li and Falun Gong.

Both the Communist Party and Falun Gong are sophisticated and well resourced and both are authoritarian in the Chinese tradition.

The sad thing is that Falun Gong in Australia are taking Australians for a ride.

China's history before the communist party infected it was one of Dynasties, each Dynasty revered and respected God's, they cherished Virtue and their art, culture morality were all very high. It's only after the evil communist spectre infected China that it began to go into steep decline, becoming atheistic and morally corrupt.

To Truly understand how the Chinese Communist Party destroyed China's rich and splendid history, one has to read this, it explains in detail how the CCP is really just an evil cult with it's main principles being fear, strife and deceit:

Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party 九評共產黨

 

[Mole]

I'm not advertising anything, I'm just sharing a powerful QiGong system with people that goes far beyond just healing and fitness. It's also completely free to checkout. If this doesn't resonate with you or you don't find it of interest, that's perfectly fine too.

However in saying this, If you didn't bother to read the thread then you don't know what is Truly occurring. The Chinese Communist Party is torturing thousands of people just because they want to be good people and follow the precepts of Truthfulness, Compassion and Forebearance, how can people not oppose such evil?

China's history before the communist party infected it was one of Dynasties, each Dynasty revered and respected God's, they cherished Virtue and their art, culture morality were all very high. It's only after the evil communist spectre infected China that it began to go into steep decline, becoming atheistic and morally corrupt.

To Truly understand how the Chinese Communist Party destroyed China's rich and splendid history, one has to read this, it explains in detail how the CCP is really just an evil cult with it's main principles being fear, strife and deceit:

Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party 九評共產黨

Master Li's Falun Gong are deceiving the people of the West into supporting an authoritarian political movement under the guise of a religion, this works in 5,000 year old Chinese culture but doesn't work in the West.

This is very sad, but as it seems you can do no more than regurgitate Master Li's propaganda, the sadness will continue.

 

[Agent Washington]

I'm not advertising anything, I'm just sharing a powerful QiGong system with people that goes far beyond just healing and fitness. It's also completely free to checkout. If this doesn't resonate with you or you don't find it of interest, that's perfectly fine too.

However in saying this, If you didn't bother to read the thread then you don't know what is Truly occurring. The Chinese Communist Party is torturing thousands of people just because they want to be good people and follow the precepts of Truthfulness, Compassion and Forebearance, how can people not oppose such evil?




China's history before the communist party infected it was one of Dynasties, each Dynasty revered and respected God's, they cherished Virtue and their art, culture morality were all very high. It's only after the evil communist spectre infected China that it began to go into steep decline, becoming atheistic and morally corrupt.

To Truly understand how the Chinese Communist Party destroyed China's rich and splendid history, one has to read this, it explains in detail how the CCP is really just an evil cult with it's main principles being fear, strife and deceit:

Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party 九評共產黨

Look at Taiping Tianguo. There's precedence for cultishness becoming a threat to national security. Thank you for responding nicely though.

...And, no, I'm not buying the part about Chinese history. It's much more complicated than that, and there's a reason Confucious said that the "mandate of heaven" can be lost. Dynasties don't have such continuity. And the rise of CCP occurred because of a very specific conflict with fascist KMT. You should learn your own history, even if you don't trust official sources.

You should probably look up Amnesty International if you really want to make a difference and get some sympathies, because they actually do work with human rights. I think criminal laws should be reformed in China, but that has absolutely nothing to do with Falun Gong.

And atheism as an official religion is not a problem, since I believe that state should be officially separated from religion. It's not evil. And as long as the majority of Chinese people accept CCP rule, then... Honestly nothing to be done about it. I oppose foreign intervention, so I'm not sure what you expect others to do...?

 

[EnergyGem]

Master Li's Falun Gong are deceiving the people of the West into supporting an authoritarian political movement under the guise of a religion, this works in 5,000 year old Chinese culture but doesn't work in the West.

This is very sad, but as it seems you can do no more than regurgitate Master Li's propaganda, the sadness will continue.

There is nothing political in Falun Dafa, it's a high level Qi Gong practice that focuses on Virtue and Truthfulness, Compassion and Forbearance. In fact, before the persecution against it began in China, the Chinese Government fully supported it. It's only after that evil toad Jiang Zemin ( the then leader of the CCP) became jealous of Falun Dafa's rapid popularity did the CCP began persecuting it:

English-5 — Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party 九評共產黨

Look at Taiping Tianguo. There's precedence for cultishness becoming a threat to national security. Thank you for responding nicely though.

...And, no, I'm not buying the part about Chinese history. It's much more complicated than that, and there's a reason Confucious said that the "mandate of heaven" can be lost. Dynasties don't have such continuity. And the rise of CCP occurred because of a very specific conflict with fascist KMT. You should learn your own history, even if you don't trust official sources.

You should probably look up Amnesty International if you really want to make a difference and get some sympathies, because they actually do work with human rights. I think criminal laws should be reformed in China, but that has absolutely nothing to do with Falun Gong.

And atheism as an official religion is not a problem, since I believe that state should be officially separated from religion. It's not evil. And as long as the majority of Chinese people accept CCP rule, then... Honestly nothing to be done about it. I oppose foreign intervention, so I'm not sure what you expect others to do...?

I agree that complicated factors were involved in the CCP infecting it's ideology into China. What I am saying is that the CCP is an evil force, millions died under Stalin and many millions died under Mao Zedong. Communism actually has it's roots in the French revolution and from there it metamorphosed under Engles and Marx before taking root in Russia:

The Dark Origins of Communism: Part 1 of 3


You say nothing can be done but the tide is turning and people are now beginning to sue Jiang Zemin for the heinous crimes he has committed:

10,000 People Suing Jiang Zemin in China—This Is a Big Deal - Vision Times

'Like Suing Hitler': Chinese Lawyers, Scholars Talk About Lawsuit Wave Against Former Communist Party Leader Jiang Zemin

Lawsuits Pile Up in China Against Former Head Jiang Zemin

 

[Agent Washington]

There is nothing political in Falun Dafa, it's a high level Qi Gong practice that focuses on Virtue and Truthfulness, Compassion and Forbearance. In fact, before the persecution against it began in China, the Chinese Government fully supported it. It's only after that evil toad Jiang Zemin ( the then leader of the CCP) became jealous of Falun Dafa's rapid popularity did the CCP began persecuting it:

English-5 — Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party 九評共產黨





I agree that complicated factors were involved in the CCP infecting it's ideology into China. What I am saying is that the CCP is an evil force, millions died under Stalin and many millions died under Mao Zedong. Communism actually has it's roots in the French revolution and from there it metamorphosed under Engles and Marx before taking root in Russia:

The Dark Origins of Communism: Part 1 of 3


You say nothing can be done but the tide is turning and people are now beginning to sue Jiang Zemin for the heinous crimes he has committed:

10,000 People Suing Jiang Zemin in China—This Is a Big Deal - Vision Times

'Like Suing Hitler': Chinese Lawyers, Scholars Talk About Lawsuit Wave Against Former Communist Party Leader Jiang Zemin

Lawsuits Pile Up in China Against Former Head Jiang Zemin

I have zero interest in reading from the sources that you've linked from, because I am aware that they're biased. You yourself have a duty to read critically for yourself. I'm wasting my time here so I'm not going to respond anymore and help bump your thread, but this is no better than some other posters on this thread. The only reason I responded was because I am familiar with Falungong and I didn't want others to fall into this trap of responding or having any sympathy for your cult.

Linking Marx and Engels, the intellectual giants who contributed to modern disciplines, to the French Revolution is even worse. Why are you harkening back to a premodern time? The only people I can see rallying to your cause are white liberals who are too dumb to know better and give you the benefit of doubt, or white conservatives who share the belief that secularism is evil, but the second group won't happen because they're xenophobic, and the first group is usually more highly educated and can see what's going on.

You should also stop using the word "evil" if you want to sound less brainwashed.

Jiang is being sued because he fell out of favour in central CCP.

 

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There is nothing political in Falun Dafa, it's a high level Qi Gong practice that focuses on Virtue and Truthfulness, Compassion and Forbearance. In fact, before the persecution against it began in China, the Chinese Government fully supported it. It's only after that evil toad Jiang Zemin ( the then leader of the CCP) became jealous of Falun Dafa's rapid popularity did the CCP began persecuting it:

English-5 — Nine Commentaries on the Communist Party 九評共產黨


I agree that complicated factors were involved in the CCP infecting it's ideology into China. What I am saying is that the CCP is an evil force, millions died under Stalin and many millions died under Mao Zedong. Communism actually has it's roots in the French revolution and from there it metamorphosed under Engles and Marx before taking root in Russia:

The Dark Origins of Communism: Part 1 of 3


You say nothing can be done but the tide is turning and people are now beginning to sue Jiang Zemin for the heinous crimes he has committed:

10,000 People Suing Jiang Zemin in China—This Is a Big Deal - Vision Times

'Like Suing Hitler': Chinese Lawyers, Scholars Talk About Lawsuit Wave Against Former Communist Party Leader Jiang Zemin

Lawsuits Pile Up in China Against Former Head Jiang Zemin

Falun Gong and Master Li relentlessly incite hatred against China.