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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Oay serious question, what's the whole problem with death?

    I keep seeing people claiming that a person cannot understand what happens at death and there's an intrinsic need for an afterlife for people's psychological wellbeing.. why?

    I've always thought the same thing, when you're dead you're dead. It stops. Nothing happens. A total absence of you. You're not there, you're dead.

    What's the problem with that?
    That's the way I see it too.

    Once you're dead, you're dead. It's not like when you're dead you'll say "Oh shit, I'm dead! What do I do?"


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    Quote Originally Posted by Timeless View Post
    That's the way I see it too.

    Once you're dead, you're dead. It's not like when you're dead you'll say "Oh shit, I'm dead! What do I do?"

    Don't you find the prospect of that unsettling/frightening?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Does oneself survive death?
    How much more wrong it is possible to put a question?

    Does oneself survive life? That is the question.
    Apparently not.
    Maybe we both live and die when this life ends. Maybe there is 2 sides of us, the ying-and the yang. The body and the other thing, which can be referred as soul or mind or ego or something. Referring to NDE (near death) or OBE experiences reported world wide and not just now but a long before these days. It's as possible as anything althought not "proven" or widely known fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyx View Post
    Don't you find the prospect of that unsettling/frightening?
    I use to feel that way when I realized I wasn't living my life the way I wanted to.

    That went slowly as I started to live from my "purpose" so to speak. It's a long story, but I'll tell you this:

    On top of my mirror, I have this written:

    "If there was no tomorrow, what would you do today?"

    It keeps me in check.


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    Quote Originally Posted by alcea rosea View Post
    Maybe we both live and die when this life ends. Maybe there is 2 sides of us, the ying-and the yang. The body and the other thing, which can be referred as soul or mind or ego or something. Referring to NDE (near death) or OBE experiences reported world wide and not just now but a long before these days. It's as possible as anything althought not "proven" or widely known fact.
    Quite right.
    What is the dividing line between time and space?
    The arrest.

    Whose arrest?
    Involvement does not attest to the object.

    Quality is in the head of the assessor.
    And quantity is not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Does oneself survive death?
    How much more wrong it is possible to put a question?

    Does oneself survive life? That is the question.
    Apparently not.
    You are indeed the quintessential individual my friend. I am sorry that things are not more accepting but I doubt you would be as wise without the thorns you navigate.

    And if any individuality is to survive annihilation then it will be yours.
    Quote Originally Posted by alcea rosea View Post
    Maybe because people are interested about the unknown?
    Maybe because they want some certainity that what happens when dying?
    Maybe because it's very difficult to accept that it is possible that this life is all we have and after it's gone there is no me anymore. I disappear?
    Maybe not knowing is the hardest part, whatever happens after, but still not knowing what that is if it's anything?
    I see it as a control issue, based on your insights. It's not "what happens next" that's the problem, it's the "I will create certainties to enable me to be more comfortable with what happens to me" that's wrong. Such false facts when supporting a weakness are defended with unreasonable force and become crutches for unhealthy habits.

    It is true that thinking about what happens next is normal but it's still unhealthy to dwell too long on the subject. There is no proof, there is little clue, science says your dead and that's that, religion paints another picture. I would think it wise to conclude that perhaps there's something else but don't bet on it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Timeless View Post
    That's the way I see it too.

    Once you're dead, you're dead. It's not like when you're dead you'll say "Oh shit, I'm dead! What do I do?"



    I'm betting your one liners either get applause or a kicking
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timeless View Post
    On top of my mirror, I have this written:

    "If there was no tomorrow, what would you do today?"

    It keeps me in check.
    Nooooo!!!

    That'd really make me go back to bed. One day? ONE DAY?

    Oh dear, that'd bring on the "what do you feel like doing?" to which the only true answer is to shrug...
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    for some reason i think it's easier for me to accept my own death, the fact that i will die someday,whether sooner than later, and that there may be nothingness after. but it is harder to accept someone close to me dying when i have so many fond memories of them. when you love someone, it's very hard to accept that they're gone forever. i think this is why for me, personally, thinking about the possibility of there being an afterlife and "heaven", i guess you could say, is very reassuring. it keeps the deceased's memory alive and makes me happy to think they're happy elsewhere. what about you guys?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Sorry I have to take the agnostic point of view here. If you require someone to threaten you with pain and torment to be nice then are you not just playing?
    To be fair, that playing leads to habituation through repetition and cognitive dissonance, thereby becoming more genuine as time goes on. This is especially true if such habituation begins from early childhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyx View Post
    Don't you find the prospect of that unsettling/frightening?
    Why? I was not alive once before; as far as I can tell, it wasn't unpleasant as I currently understand it from a human perspective.

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