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    Forgiveness is what you do when you can no longer believe your own convictions or you have no strength to carry them.
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    According to the bible, the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Other than that, you're good to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aguanile View Post
    According to the bible, the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
    Oops.

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    I see forgiveness as the unwillingness to become like your violator. Hate makes us reflect back the same characteristics. There is no deeper violation than to become one's violator. There is a type of forgiveness for the worst offenses that does not embrace with naivete', but let's go of hate and the power the violator held over you. This does not require replacing the hate with trust. Forgiveness can be offered as a gift, but trust must be earned. For me, forgiving the worst offenses is letting go of a desire to return the hurt and the sense of desiring their punishment, but at the same time to hold onto a reasoned self-protection based in distrust of the violator, especially if they do not even desire forgiveness. This also protects the violator from more deeply instilling their own cruelty. I won't allow them to destroy myself or their own heart further. It's one thing to forgive a friend who hurts your feelings, quite another to reconcile a compassionate reaction to someone who murdered your loved one.

    There is a wise saying, "we cannot hate what we understand". In facing the worst violators it became apparent to me that this statement does not imply excusing behaviors, but that when we understand the deepest forms of hate, we know to run and to not let it grow inside ourselves, but to hone a gentle defiance to be unlike our violator. A second aspect of this saying develops an underlying respect for others. We have not lived any other life, and do not know first hand how the genetic and environmental influences of another person's life would have shaped us. Because of this, there is a fundamental doubt in every scenario that self is in fact superior to its violator in any way. There is no way to verify how oneself would be in another person's life, and for that reason, it makes sense to have a baseline respect regardless of that person's behavior. This means being non-judgmental at one's core. This is the only way I can understand compassion. It must apply to some level in every scenario or it isn't compassion. This doesn't interfere with a reasoned way of limiting trust. Just because I am potentially no better than any other person does not mean I would be trustworthy had I lived their life. So any conclusive judgment on another person is withheld, trust is reasoned and tested over time, compassion is offered freely and as a gift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aguanile View Post
    According to the bible, the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. Other than that, you're good to go.
    Blasphemy is a very old fashioned word. What does it mean in modern language?
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    I see forgiveness as the unwillingness to become like your violator.
    toonia! I think you hit it. That's a big piece of it, anyway. It is a removal of one's self from that which is of the force for decay.

    It has two aspects. (with Victor's "narcissistic" remark in mind) The individual benefits by keeping his mind and spirit unimpared by unhealthy qualities. Society benefits by the ill effects of antisocial acts not being continued.
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post

    And depression is one of the most common sins of today.

    But the greatest trick pulled by Satan was to persuade us that depression is not a sin.

    And so it has become an epidemic.

    But all sins can be forgiven except despair because the despairing refuse to ask for forgiveness.
    This is a very disturbing post. I hope you never experience depression. Or perhaps I hope you do.....

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    Sounds like you do, Victor.
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    Just curious!
    Your exclamation mark-smiley combos are pretty unforgivable. Other than that, no. Nothing is unforgivable.

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    Stabbing me in the back is pretty unforgivable.

    Even if whoever stabbed me in the back is truly sorry for what he/she has done, I can have fun keeping them in emotional turmoil by continuing to deny forgiveness. Or I could perhaps pretend I've forgiven the perpetrator to make him/her feel secure, and then I would go behind the scenes and create schemes to humiliate that person.

    There is nothing more painful than emotional torture.

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