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    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    But this idea of deciding who and what gets forgiven is foreign to me. If I am not the one hurt I don't know how I can decide what's forgivable and what isn't.

    It feels like playing God to me. It's really a personal matter.
    And yet it's exactly what a judge and jury do.
    "You will always be fond of me. I represent to you all the sins you never had the courage to commit."

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    I hear you, Victor. And I had similar thoughts while reading. As part of the human race and someone who desires and expects good outcomes with good intentions it's a fine line where individuality ends and society begins.

    I did like what you said about the only sin being despair. Earlier today when I first saw this thread it was my first thought.

    I suppose a lack of faith in the force for good and growth. Because that means decay and decline without renewal in my "bible." I think the first I read of it was in The Bible. The sin against the Holy Spirit. . .

    But, dang, Guy. Your posts are always so packed full of ideas that I never know where to start with addressing them.
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    Hey, Meta. Yes, it's a real paradox, isn't it?
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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    I haven't any trouble looking at a situation and having an opinion on it. I'm not the type of person to just wash my hands of a situation.. even if it isn't my own.

    I don't think forgiveness is more for the person forgiving though. While it can definitely help, and it does, if I do wrong by someone.. I do seek that forgiveness. Like I have a weight on my heart and do my best to receive those graces from that person. It will weigh on my mind otherwise.
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    Forgiveness can be nothing other than for the person forgiving if it's implicit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post

    I mean people want to be good and the way to be good in our late modern society is to be a good, narcissistic consumer. And make sure everyone else is. And keep a sharp eye out for deviants; and an even sharper tongue.
    Think only of yourselves....only of yourselves.....
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    There is no right and wrong, no definite. The only definite is that people who believe there is sin are wrong, sin is an illusion.

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    I knew Satan was from Canada.
    "You will always be fond of me. I represent to you all the sins you never had the courage to commit."

    Reason is, and ought only to be the slave of the passions, and can never pretend to any other office
    than to serve and obey them. - David Hume

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    I'll take that under advisement, Lucifer.

    Now please get thee behind me? Heh.
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