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    Could you put it like this: Supernatural pertains to that which is not of the physical world while superstition too pertains to that which is not of the physical world but with fear added to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella View Post
    Could you put it like this: Supernatural pertains to that which is not of the physical world while superstition too pertains to that which is not of the physical world but with fear added to it.
    I guess. But superstition isn't always about fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Belief in the supernatural isn't based on reason or knowledge, you have to have faith. Superstition is a belief not based on reason or knowledge.
    Faith is the first step, but one must ultimately seek to understand that faith better through reason. As St. Anslem of Canteburry famously remarked, "Credo ut intelligam"(I believe so that I may understand).

    Pope Benedict XVI addresses this issue very well in Introduction to Christianity, that belief in the mystery of the supernatural does not mean one can embrace any nonsense made in the name of that mystery. If you do that, then faith and religion look like utter nonsense. Faith is the foundation from which a rational understanding of things must precede from.

    This does not contradict logic at all, in fact logic itself is based upon faith as well. How can one adhere to the laws of non-contradiction without some form of faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I guess. But superstition isn't always about fear.

    But isn't it usually believing/doing something to prevent something else from happening.
    This is a question not an argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella View Post
    But isn't it usually believing/doing something to prevent something else from happening.
    This is a question not an argument.
    It's usually about believing/doing something to prevent something, but some times it's about wanting something to happen. Like having a lucky penny or rabbits foot for good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    It's usually about believing/doing something to prevent something, but some times it's about wanting something to happen. Like having a lucky penny or rabbits foot for good luck.
    Oh yes, I forgot about those.
    But if I think about it, that almost is fear too, because you think that by not doing those things a certain something won't happen. Sort of reversed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella View Post
    Oh yes, I forgot about those.
    But if I think about it, that almost is fear too, because you think that by not doing those things a certain something won't happen. Sort of reversed.
    Yeah you could think about it like that. Most human actions can be related to fear in some way.

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    Yes, fear and shame....delightful stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Faith is the first step, but one must ultimately seek to understand that faith better through reason. As St. Anslem of Canteburry famously remarked, "Credo ut intelligam"(I believe so that I may understand).

    Pope Benedict XVI addresses this issue very well in Introduction to Christianity, that belief in the mystery of the supernatural does not mean one can embrace any nonsense made in the name of that mystery. If you do that, then faith and religion look like utter nonsense. Faith is the foundation from which a rational understanding of things must precede from.

    This does not contradict logic at all, in fact logic itself is based upon faith as well. How can one adhere to the laws of non-contradiction without some form of faith.
    I'm going to paraphrase a quote I read a while ago from some Pope:

    "With faith, one need not think"

    There a really informative book on the subject, called: The Fall Of Reason. (I think that's what it's called)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    I'm going to paraphrase a quote I read a while ago from some Pope:

    "With faith, one need not think"

    There a really informative book on the subject, called: The Fall Of Reason. (I think that's what it's called)
    ajblaise, I think that is what people think, true faith equals some state where the mind gets by-passed, and if that is the case I don't blame the world for looking at Christianity/faith/God with disgust. It's a pity though that people have put words in God's mouth.

    Note to moderator: I'm not turning this into a God thread. For realz
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