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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Capitalism is ascendent over all, religion is incompatable with capitalism, if they are co-existing fine then one or the other is phony.
    Yeah, I think it's fairly obvious which one is phony, too.
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    i don't think it is terribly helpful at this point in history to set up a dichotomy of superstition vs. supernatural belief. i think it's more helpful to just use the word supernatural. most people in the world still have some belief in the supernatural--some believe in some more vague notion of god or new age belief, the occult or eastern religions and then some believe in the judeo-christian faiths, etc. all require faith at some level but sure some make more sense than others. i'll let all of you debate which makes more sense.

    while i think that most psychics, palm readers, etc. are frauds i do believe some have tapped into the supernatural realm. as a follower of jesus who has experienced quite a few supernatural things i acknowledge the supernatural realm in both, and there are sadly frauds in my faith as well, but i believe they are neither tapping into the same source nor both benevolent. if i hadn't found my faith when i did i probably would have been a big ole new age fruitloop. i say that with the kindest of meanings as where i live it is very common and expected to have experimented with new age or alternative spiritualities. btw, i've prayed for a couple of atheists at their request or allowance so i think just as there are all sorts of christ followers there are all sorts of atheists as well.

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    Whenever atheists and I play games, they kiss the dice. It's awkward. I'm just like, "Dude, the dice roll by gravity. Not invisible pixies with pointy nipples".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Yeah, I think it's fairly obvious which one is phony, too.
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    I have recently read about a new dichotomy arising in Europe, Switzerland and Germany in particular, which suggests a division between "enlightened" religion or belief and religion or belief per se, after the various passes in which divisions or distinctions have been made before, like in the US evangelical scene with a distinction between "living faith" and religion per se, I think this could be a waste of time and could be religious seeking to extend the hand of friendship towards those who will strike it down but it could be a useful description of what differs between believers in God as opposed to believers in "odd".

    A lot of the superstitious beliefs are linked with novelty, in a modern sense at least, all the trinkets and books and other material which I see on sale in reference to Wicca, Asatru, Druids, Angels, Ancestors, Tarot, whatever, has that aspect and it is terribly commercialised. I know that this is not the same for people who profess these beliefs to their belief systems themselves (I know I wouldnt want to be judged by Catholicism for Dummies or "socialism for dummies", if there was such a thing) but all the same its the gateway by which many young people become acquainted with such things.

    There IS an aspect by which these things, these superstitions, could make life not simply more fearful or haunted by dread, like in the past, but more exciting or interesting, mundanity is transformed into myriad signs and wonders, and in this way it could have some attraction too. Most of the time superstition is linked with dread and I think that there are believers who may suspend doubts or disbelief about things like this but arent afraid of it and are then not considered superstitious. Which would be a different thing altogether.

    I dont mess with things like Tarot or mysticism not simply out of disbelief but belief that it could have some little understood aspect in which it "works" even if its just triggering unconscious mechanisms or psychology. That said there are a lot of academic psychologists and researchers who would insist that the whole of Jung, psychoanalysis and concepts like the unconscious are superstition or only of literary value.

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    I am religious myself, but being religious is a huge form of superstition, faith is unprovable 100%, neither is superstition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Religion hasnt been strong culturally or in government anywhere for a long, long time, not in the US that's for sure, a sort of pale comparison to historical religion or christendom is popular and its popular for a lot of reasons rooted in the stadium and tele-evangelical revolutions in the US, which is a media phenomenon and identity politics.

    Capitalism is ascendent over all, religion is incompatable with capitalism, if they are co-existing fine then one or the other is phony.
    I agree. +1!

    Except that it is a very good thing.
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    Atheists dont have strict set of beliefs dictated for them, so how is it abnormal that atheists would be more likely to believe some outside of box paranormal stuff?

    Also this "atheists are more likely to believ in superstition" is an oxymoron. RELIGION IS SUPERSTITION, so all religious people are superstitious by definition, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Atheists dont have strict set of beliefs dictated for them, so how is it abnormal that atheists would be more likely to believe some outside of box paranormal stuff?

    Also this "atheists are more likely to believ in superstition" is an oxymoron. RELIGION IS SUPERSTITION, so all religious people are superstitious by definition, lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    I agree. +1!

    Except that it is a very good thing.
    I have no idea how you could say that and mean it, I suspect that you're either living a very, very insulated existence or you're being a douche from your parents basement or loft.

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