Lie about what god said to you, you die

[draon9]

Read Jeremiah 27, god caught two prophets for lying to his people

 

[Doctor Cringelord]

What if the person relaying the false message misheard what god said or heard it from another source but assumed it was god saying it? Or what if they misinterpreted a sign from god and relayed a false message?

in other words they thought they were speaking the true word of god but unintentionally lied?

I'm asking hypothetically, as I'm an agnostic.

 

[draon9]

What if the person relaying the false message misheard what god said or heard it from another source but assumed it was god saying it? Or what if they misinterpreted a sign from god and relayed a false message?

in other words they thought they were speaking the true word of god but unintentionally lied?

I'm asking hypothetically, as I'm an agnostic.

He'll let it slide, but if you knew and remembered exactly and refused to change it, you going to die eventully or he'll torture you until you do it right,if no changes then kill u

 

[ceecee]

He'll let it slide, but if you knew and remembered exactly and refused to change it, you going to die eventully or he'll torture you until you do it right,if no changes then kill u

You ask forgiveness/go to confession/become born again/mop up with some other variety of Sin Swiffer. Problem solved.

 

[Habba]

Give money to church, and God is pleased. God really craves for money.

 

[Zangetshumody]

What if the person relaying the false message misheard what god said or heard it from another source but assumed it was god saying it? Or what if they misinterpreted a sign from god and relayed a false message?

in other words they thought they were speaking the true word of god but unintentionally lied?

I'm asking hypothetically, as I'm an agnostic.

Prophecy is the gift of the spiritual child, so your query is largely obtuse in overlooking the nature of the spiritual activity that's performed by a prophecy.

Prophecy is seeing the unfolded present as an aspect of the final judgement, a false prophet has no connection to the judgement of truth, and thus deceives those who believe in the false-authority that the "prophet" makes representations for,— is the world or some part of it being glorified for a temporal attachment to the mere appearance of glory, or is the eternal spirit being expressed in an independent economy of purpose unto the reconciliation that overcomes all, even overcoming any slavish adherence to the faith itself. [[Even as Jesus used himself to exemplify the neo-Pagan worldview, to leave behind and share the divinity of his spirit at the cost of his own personage, so that in the end, Jesus Christ is the spirit of the begotten Son, never a mere vessel of personage: in the moment of 'his' greatest vulnerability, he impugned the integrity of the very claim he was being punished for making, to momentarily later prove those words to be the worthless folly of a bad example, the illustration of this simple mockery, conveyed at the expense of mocking the spirit of man through the body of that man, imparts a perfect example of overcoming the whole world: and let us not forget, there is no vicarious redemption, the Christian Doctrine says we must all pick up our cross and die daily, Jesus dying for our sin's is the language of an adopted Christ Consciousness, the neo-pagan style of belief in vicarious redemption is profanity to the real composition and operation the Church.]]

Most pertinent prophets, were doing the greatest of God's work by their interface with political endeavors, the most famous prophet in the old testament was saddled with engineering a King, when this very notion was a direct insult to God, but made necessary by the demands of men, forcing the development of the Judge role to emerge as a Son of Man, which is finally inculcated back into the body politic in the form of the church upholding communion in the Son the Man (communion through the members in particular).

 

[wool]

Go to confession.

One's sins are between you and God alone.

 

[ceecee]

One's sins are between you and God alone.

No. Sin that harms others demands atonement.

 

[wool]

No. Sin that harms others demands atonement.

We can confess our sins directly to God in Christ's name. Priests, middle men, are not necessary to be forgiven in the eyes of God.

 

[Totenkindly]

....hooray for denominational/doctrinal conflicts...

 

[ChocolateMoose123]

No. Sin that harms others demands atonement.

What a can of worms...in the Old Testament sin requires atonement through sacrifice. Any sin. It doesn't matter if it harmed someone or not.
New Testament (Jesus) does away with this need for atonement through sacrifice because he was the ultimate voluntary sacrifice. This is why [MENTION=28104]wool[/MENTION] said we don't need a "middle man" to gain forgiveness.
Jesus gives us the gift of grace. Christians no longer need to make sacrifice to atone. They can seek forgiveness directly and (ideally) attempt to live as an embodiment of that sacrifice through their works (in faith) forgoing the "self" as paramount and exemplifying Christ-like behavior as an added litmus for righteousness. Forgiveness of one's enemies (love thy neighbor). Etc. Etc.
This is all if you subscribe to Christianity. Other denominations vary.

 

[wool]

Christ died for our sins. If we needed confess to a priest to be forgiven, He would have died for nothing.

For a man to claim to possess the power to forgive sins, this is blasphemy. The Pharisees accused Jesus of this, and it was one of the reasons they crucified Him.

Instead of confessing to a priest, you may boldly approach the throne of God in Christ's name, and confess directly to the Father Himself. Christ is the medium of communication of man and God.

 

[Mole]

One's sins are between you and God alone.

A mere 3,000 years ago we did hear the voice of God, but then as life became more complex, God fell silent. We responded to this by blaming ourselves and seeking God's forgiveness so that he would return. But as God is no longer talking to us, unless we are schizophrenic, we needed a mediator to seek God's forgiveness. And today we now have women priests who mediate.

To read about the voice of God click on http://s-f-walker.org.uk/pubsebooks/pdfs/Julian_Jaynes_The_Origin_of_Consciousness.pdf

 

[Mole]

What a can of worms...in the Old Testament sin requires atonement through sacrifice. Any sin. It doesn't matter if it harmed someone or not.
New Testament (Jesus) does away with this need for atonement through sacrifice because he was the ultimate voluntary sacrifice. This is why [MENTION=28104]wool[/MENTION] said we don't need a "middle man" to gain forgiveness.
Jesus gives us the gift of grace. Christians no longer need to make sacrifice to atone. They can seek forgiveness directly and (ideally) attempt to live as an embodiment of that sacrifice through their works (in faith) forgoing the "self" as paramount and exemplifying Christ-like behavior as an added litmus for righteousness. Forgiveness of one's enemies (love thy neighbor). Etc. Etc.
This is all if you subscribe to Christianity. Other denominations vary.

We still make sacrifice today. We sacrifice our young men in war and it appears never ending war, we sacrifice in the road toll which is never ending, we sacrifice a surprisingly large number to the gun culture again never ending, we sacrifice some to the drug culture, and there is no end in sight.

 

[wool]

A mere 3,000 years ago we did hear the voice of God, but then as life became more complex, God fell silent. We responded to this by blaming ourselves and seeking God's forgiveness so that he would return. But as God is no longer talking to us, unless we are schizophrenic, we needed a mediator to seek God's forgiveness. And today we now have women priests who mediate.

To read about the voice of God click on http://s-f-walker.org.uk/pubsebooks/pdfs/Julian_Jaynes_The_Origin_of_Consciousness.pdf

Mole, does this theory involve evolution?

 

[Mole]

Mole, does this theory involve evolution?

It is rather an interesting hypothesis rather than a theory, and the Origin of Consciousness does not involve evolution or natural selection.

Natural selection of our DNA occurred over thousands of millions of years while, according to Julian Jaynes hypothesis, homo sapiens only became conscious over the last 3,000 or 4,000 years. Of course he may be completely wrong, however right or wrong his hypothesis is an education in itself.

 

[draon9]

Christ died for our sins. If we needed confess to a priest to be forgiven, He would have died for nothing.

For a man to claim to possess the power to forgive sins, this is blasphemy. The Pharisees accused Jesus of this, and it was one of the reasons they crucified Him.

Instead of confessing to a priest, you may boldly approach the throne of God in Christ's name, and confess directly to the Father Himself. Christ is the medium of communication of man and God.

he can also reject repentance

 

[wool]

he can also reject repentance

Wrong.

 

[draon9]

Wrong.

hebrews ch. 12 versus 16-17

 

[Coriolis]

Even people who don't lie about what god said will die. It's part of the human condition.