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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    orry my friend, this is all very interesting but not relevant to objective methodology I have cited in OP with regard to demarcation between a human and non-human.
    And I think your methodology is flawed. By that logic, why wait until 2 to declare one human? Why have any laws at all?

    Let's just go to a state of pure anarchy and survival of the fittest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enyo View Post
    And I think your methodology is flawed. By that logic, why wait until 2 to declare one human? Why have any laws at all?

    Let's just go to a state of pure anarchy and survival of the fittest.

    </sarcasm>
    That is the point which need be made here, I think. There is a balance between order and chaos in human society, for good reason, and it irritates me when people question it so ignorantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enyo View Post
    And I think your methodology is flawed. By that logic, why wait until 2 to declare one human? Why have any laws at all?

    Let's just go to a state of pure anarchy and survival of the fittest.

    </sarcasm>
    What on earth is the relevance of this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    Its shocking indeed because of the personal values we hold. We have been conditioned to feel this way by society and by our biological dispositions, but this has nothing whatever to say with regard to the rationality of this view.

    As a father of a one year old, your child should not have human rights, but ought to be seen as your property. Not the property of the state. Because an open society is desirable (another long argument which need not be made at this point), individualism is to be promoted over collectivism, for this reason it is better that the state be given little control over the lives of individuals than a lot. Thus, the outcome of his life until he becomes legally human is in your hands. I have given an argument for why my definition of what 'human' is should be accepted. Again, the fact that many people find it shocking is irrelevant.
    Then what would you call killing someone else's one year old child? Vandalism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    I've philosophized on just about everything you can think of, including the worth of less-sentient human life, but I'm not a total spazz about it.
    That's all fine, but you're missing the fact that he likely holds more conservative values on the subject than most of the people passionately attacking him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mippus View Post
    Then what would you call killing someone else's one year old child? Vandalism?
    Would be criminal destruction of property. (See topic: American Slavery)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    :It is a matter of a carefully contrived argument.
    Of which, I believe you are flawed in clearly. If you think it's the right way of doing so, go on and try to pass such a law. If babies make me FEEL like they are humans, than that is what I shall in turn think when I debate. Just because you think babies shouldn't have human rights, it doesn't mean they won't. Like I said.. the laws are in place to protect those until they can protect themselves.. your theory would destroy those protections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mippus View Post
    Then what would you call killing someone else's one year old child? Vandalism?
    You have no right to harm the child of your neighbor else just like you have no right to damage his car or his house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    People.

    Read. The Thread. Don't just react.


    Read. Read the whole thing.

    Then think.


    /end conservative Christian iNtJ speaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    What on earth is the relevance of this?
    I've taken your logical argument and just gone one step further.
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