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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Not necessarily. See this post: http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...tml#post317951 Then, the universe is by definition, "God". All that has been done is to make it material instead of "personal". But again, even science at one time recently, proposed a "primal realm" that does not consist of time.

    A realm that does not consist of time is inconceivable, you must be getting something mixed up, If there was a realm where there was no time, everything there would be happening simultaneously.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    All that has been done is to make it material instead of "personal"..
    ??????
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    Excuse me m'Lord, but I do believe that everything is happening simultaneously here in this universe.

    Just 'cause we can't experience it all at once means that it's not all happening at once?
    Time is a dimension too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    It is mathematically impossible to begin and not end or vice versa. There is no such figure.
    Yessir there is.
    On a number line we'd call it a ray.

    Still struggling with the numbers huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    A realm that does not consist of time is inconceivable, you must be getting something mixed up, If there was a realm where there was no time, everything there would be happening simultaneously.
    The most prevalent theory in physics is that space and time were created at once, and while the concept of "before that" is odd, you certainly claim to know a lot more about it than specialists in the field.

    I have hearty doubts that you hold the opinions you relentlessly argue at all.

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    I see you've discovered one of the typical _NTP habits The Flak.
    Bluewing does not do it however.

    This thread is way serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    This thread is way serious.
    I am familiar with Serious Business. Quite the sad state of affairs, that.

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    Is Serious Business like a band or something? That you're trying to promote?
    Or maybe they're a very generic corporation?


    No get rid of it.

    This thread is J serious.

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    "God is dead." Nietzsche

    "Nietzsche is dead." God

    You overestimate what you actually know.

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    Didums,

    Can an omnipotent being both exist and not exist simultaneously? The limits that I mentioned are like this. If they were not limits, then God could simultaneously exist and not exist, but presumably that feat is even beyond Him.
    A criticism that can be brought against everything ought not to be brought against anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    A realm that does not consist of time is inconceivable, you must be getting something mixed up, If there was a realm where there was no time, everything there would be happening simultaneously.
    The others answered this point well. We are accustomed to existing in a continuum called "time", but God would be on an entirely different level of existence that would not need to be measured by time (or space).
    Originally Posted by Eric B
    All that has been done is to make it material instead of "personal"..

    In response to
    "Why then the need for him? Especially if it can be shown that there need not a causation, that the Universe simply Is."

    ??????
    In other words, the very definition of "God" (Hebrew: YHWH)is "the One who IS"; hence, "I AM". Now, if you're saying that the universe (the material realm we exist in) "simply IS", then you're ascribing to it the key attribute that defines God. The only diiference between the two then, would be that God is said to be a personal being, while the universe is a material realm.

    The definition of space, basically, is the medium in which the relative positions of matter are measured. (As one book says, if you had a universe with no matter in it at all, distance and location would have no meaning or be undeterminable). Time can be defined as a[n imaginary] medium in which the state of or changes in matter is measured. (It can be considered imaginary because you can only be in one point at that given time; you are not really "moving through" anything).

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