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    Default The Conundrum of Jerry Falwell

    I saw this article a few minutes ago about Jerry Falwell. I found it interesting, simply because it tried to go a little deeper than simply pick a side.

    What was probably the most revealing were the positive comments by Larry Flynt, he of the notorious Penthouse / sexual-freedom persuasion.

    Does this article change anyone's perspective on the man or not, or encourage one to find out more about him, and why / why not?
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    No.

    I've lived in the Bible-thumping conservative South too long to care or be interested.

    I live in the same town as the new Billy Graham facility. I'm less than 30 miles away from the old site of Jim & Tammy Faye Baker's Praise The Lord ministry. Although most of my gay friends worked there, I've encountered enough bigotry and unChristlike sentiment from evangelicals to want to know anything more about the people at the top of the organizations.

    I did read the articles. I realize I'm probably being close-minded--and uncharacteristically judgmental myself--but that's the way it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Does this article change anyone's perspective on the man or not, or encourage one to find out more about him, and why / why not?
    Nope, I judge him by his message and by who he was. The only thing I can say about him is that he was at least able to support equal rights. This is, however, dwarfed by my total lack of respect for his overall message. Who he was is also who he played. He chose his message, and he chose to carry it for a long time.

    I haven't forgotten that he blamed just about everything non-religious for 9/11. The irony was astounding to me.

    The Larry Flynt bit flashes back to something I said a long while back...I admire physical strength in others... but that's about strength. It just makes them beating their wife that much worse. A characteristic does not make someone noble, nor does someone else supporting, liking or tolerating the messenger make the messenger any better.

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    I'm inclined to think everyone has their good side. Why not? But when you actively present a public image, that's how you are going to be judged (and I think others are justified in that).

    It's quite possible Mother Theresa wasn't a morning person and grumped around for an hour or so, but that's pretty irrelevent to Mother Theresa the image and how millions respond(ed) to her.

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    I'm surprised by the article; I suppose he was more complex than he seemed to be. Nonetheless, his anti-gay stance was poisonous to me, and I think the conservative christian promoters of hatred don't care about nuances.

    The Moral Majority is/was very destructive to individual rights, and as far as I am concerned, made hatred in vogue. One who believed as they did wasn't anti-gay, anti-choice, and anti woman- they were obeying god's law. Or some such cr*p.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Does this article change anyone's perspective on the man or not, or encourage one to find out more about him, and why / why not?
    The man made himself a message. In essence, he whored himself. I couldn't stand his message, I couldn't stand him.

    There are two politicians who I'm going to describe, and I want you to guess who they were.

    The first was a model citizen. He remained faithful to his wife. He never drank or smoked and was very kind and polite in person.

    The other drank and smoked regularly and had several mistresses.

    Dime to the one who can tell me who they were.
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    I don't know much about Falwell in particular, but the strong religious right has a lot of views that I completely disagree with, and in a lot of ways seems a very damaging part of the country.

    As for Falwell individually, I'm sure his good side was as much as anyone's.


    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
    The man made himself a message. In essence, he whored himself. I couldn't stand his message, I couldn't stand him.

    There are two politicians who I'm going to describe, and I want you to guess who they were.

    The first was a model citizen. He remained faithful to his wife. He never drank or smoked and was very kind and polite in person.

    The other drank and smoked regularly and had several mistresses.

    Dime to the one who can tell me who they were.
    Calvin Coolidge and Warren G. Harding.

    (I've heard something like this before, and it's the sort of argument that I really, really hate for arguing a sort of political point.)

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    Naw, Hitler and FDR.

    Been there, seen it, bought the fish. NEXT!


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    Jerry Falwell rendered unto Caesar what is God's, as it were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivercrow View Post
    Naw, Hitler and FDR.

    Been there, seen it, bought the fish. NEXT!


    I knew who they were, just figured I'd use a different answer to undercut the example, since i really, really don't like arguments involving Hitler comparisons that get thrown out all the time.

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