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    I study it because John Milton told me it was the key to the kingdom of hell.

    Yeah folks...I gave up...

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    The only thing I've agreed with Victor about is that MBTI, Creationism, ect are not science and should not be taught in classes.

    MBTI is better than creationism for science, but I still wouldn't want to devote more than a passing reference to it in an academic setting.

    Regardless of any sarcasm or joke or whatever this thread seems completely useless. Every thread like this ends up being a discussion about soemthing unrelated in Australia, or about some technicality in writing that makes anything too vague to discuss in any serious or worthwhile way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GZA View Post
    MBTI is better than creationism for science, but I still wouldn't want to devote more than a passing reference to it in an academic setting.
    I wouldn't really want to see it used other than a tool for a person to understand themselves better and use in their personal life. I am disturbed that workplaces and schools want to type people and use the information in any way other than for that person's own personal use on their own time.

    In that way I can agree with victor that it is sort of comparable to astrology.

    I wouldn't like to go to work and be told "Hey you're a leo, be a saleman!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The problem is not at this level.

    It is that MBTI is an invalid and unreliable personality test.

    So the interesting question is why do so many take the test?
    don't care. i'm not them. and i put zero weight in the test.

    And the answer is exactly the same to the question, why do so many read their horoscopes?
    true.

    I am sure you are a good person, so I invite you to ask yourself, why do no astronomers believe in astrology and why do no psychometricians believe in MBTI?
    well, first of all, i don't believe you that no psychometricians use MBTI. secondly, you're failing to understand that i reject 95% of the information floating around about MBTI. i've thought out my own system and figured out how applicable it is. and it's not very applicable, i'll agree. but it DOES have uses, and for you to dismiss that is just being needlessly closedminded.

    astrology is an entirely different story, too. type is arbitrarily assigned to a person in astrology... with MBTI, you FIGURE OUT type. a giant difference, and one that shouldn't be glossed over.

    If MBTI is a valid and reliable personality test, why is it not taught in any psychology class in the world?
    it's not valid or reliable.

    And you might also ask yourself why Creationism or Intelligent Design is not taught in any biology class?

    Because the answer is exactly the same.

    No, the question is why do people believe in Creationism, Intelligent Design, Astrology and MBTI in such large numbers?

    Are they gullible or are they desperate or are they deluded?
    they are gullible and desperate for answers. it's easier to take someone else's answers than to think them out yourself. and that's why we see so much misuse of the system.

    listen. i'm not talking about the test, dude. the test sucks. forget the test. the FRAMEWORK can be useful. i already explained my point about verbal shortcuts. it's also a starting point for other connections to be made (it's a METAPHOR).

    if you don't misapply the system, there's nothing wrong with it. seems like an obvious statement, but you're somehow completely missing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by murkrow View Post
    Victor...

    You big F.
    It's called cognitive dissonance - sure it's painful but there is no need to squeal.

    There is no need to squeal 'cause cognitive dissonance means you are learning something new.

    No one told you it would be easy.

    And squealing will only distract you from learning.

    We can all hear you when you squeal, and it puts us off.

    There is no need to be a squealer when it is only cognitive dissonance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    if you don't misapply the system, there's nothing wrong with it. seems like an obvious statement, but you're somehow completely missing it.
    OK, I think you are right - I am missing something.

    Let me try and get it - and you tell me how I am going.

    What you are saying is that MBTI can be used for good purposes - it all depends on how you use it - is that right?

    You are saying MBTI is a framework from which to make other connections. And you are further saying MBTI can be used metaphorically. Is that right?

    And you feel I am dissing you and MBTI - is that right?

    How'm I doin'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    OK, I think you are right - I am missing something.

    Let me try and get it - and you tell me how I am going.

    What you are saying is that MBTI can be used for good purposes - it all depends on how you use it - is that right?

    You are saying MBTI is a framework from which to make other connections. And you are further saying MBTI can be used metaphorically. Is that right?

    And you feel I am dissing you and MBTI - is that right?

    How'm I doin'?
    you're pretty much spot on, except that i don't feel personally dissed. i'm just uncomfortable because you completely dismiss the system based on some people's misuse of it.

    i just want you to admit that it's possible to use the system in a positive way.

    and this is different from astrology because there is no correct way to use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    i just want you to admit that it's possible to use the system in a positive way.
    OK, I'll admit it is possible to use MBTI in a positive way.

    It is possible to use it to understand personality.

    It is possible to use it to socialise - and it is possible to use it to make friends.

    MBTI is commonly understood across the world and is hugely popular.

    MBTI is now part of the global village - MBTI is now part of the internet.

    And MBTI can help us discover our own personality and even identity.

    MBTI is fun - it is social - and it is free.

    How's that? Is that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    OK, I'll admit it is possible to use MBTI in a positive way.
    cool!

    It is possible to use it to understand personality.
    to better understand personality, definitely not a full understanding. nowhere close

    MBTI is commonly understood across the world and is hugely popular.
    i would definitely say MBTI is NOT commonly understood. most people that think they understand are actually missing some information or misapplying certain ideas. for those people, it would be better if they didn't even use it until they understood it better.

    MBTI is now part of the global village - MBTI is now part of the internet.
    hmm. i actually know very few people that know MBTI. i wish it was a bigger part of global language, though.

    And MBTI can help us discover our own personality and even identity.

    MBTI is fun - it is social - and it is free.
    yes.

    How's that? Is that right?
    yeah. thank you for being openminded about this. i didn't expect you to take me seriously for some reason.

    thanks.

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    Default An Advertising Jingle or a Cri de Coeur?

    Do you prefer an advertising jingle, such as -

    "MBTI is fun - it is social - and it is free".

    which is sincere and without a trace of irony?


    Or do you prefer a cri de coeur, such as -

    "Turning Back the Enlightenment -

    The first step is to teach Creationism or even Intelligent Design in Biology class.

    The next step is to teach Alchemy in the Chemistry class.

    And then we teach Astrology in the Astronomy class.

    And not forgetting to teach MBTI in the Psychology class.

    And before long the monstrous wave of Reason is beaten back to sea.

    But what shall we do with the Goddess of Reason, called the Statue of Liberty, washed up on our shores?

    She is plainly an embarrassment until you realise she is Our Lady of the New World - the patron saint of Creationism, Alchemy, Astrology and MBTI. And it is the Enlightenment that is the embarrassment"


    - a cry that is replete with irony?

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