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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomINTP View Post
    That's the point. It doesn't add up as a whole, because I'm not sure what to believe in. When the time comes, when it makes sense, I'll make up my mind, but until then, I'll leave it open and speculate.
    As you please. But in the meantime, you already have my answer to the OP: As long as you insist on bringing God into the picture, you're no atheist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Its different again from the "God" of non-theistic or atheistic humanists such as Erich Fromm, which I think was in the final instance a sort of materialistic reinterpretation of Jungian ideas about archetypes and the collective unconscious.
    I think Jung's stuff about sexual archetypes, like the anima and the animus, is kind of on the nose. Have you ever noticed that some men can't get past thinking of all women as saintly something I was guilty of at one point, or that some women can't get past thinking of all men as men of action trying to dominate their environment?

    I guess you can't falsify any of this stuff, but if you think about it on the level of metaphors, like you would in English class, it makes sense. I had to use my intuition for that, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 21lux View Post
    Sure they can. I have a friend who's like that. They don't believe in a deity or anything and they're not sure about if there's an "afterlife" or not but they believe that there is something to the universe that we can never comprehend that has to do with the purpose of life (if there is one at all) and wondering why anything exists (and if nonexistence would even be possible) and stuff along that line. Well, I guess that depends on one's definition of "spiritual". Sounds spiritual to me but I guess one could also label it as "worshipping the Universe" if they wanted to.

    Now I'm not even sure. Lol
    I have a friend like that too actually. He migrates to California to "farm" on a collective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandomINTP View Post
    That's the point. It doesn't add up as a whole, because I'm not sure what to believe in. When the time comes, when it makes sense, I'll make up my mind, but until then, I'll leave it open and speculate.
    Fair enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCheeseBurgerKing View Post
    Point is that no one knows that God doesn't exist dude.

    Obviously you can choose to believe that this all came from... nothing (that makes total sense!), but it's really ignorant.
    If you really want to sit there by yourself and choose not to believe in God (intruding on no one with it), then you're right in that you aren't an asshole, but guess what; it's still ignorant. People who passively doubt God are still technically agnostic.

    So you're a depressive atheist. My words to you are, you don't know that there is no God/supernatural. You are being rational by withholding your faith due to lack of evidence, but my advice is to have hope, open you're mind up, and re-evaluate dude. There is evidence out there. God doesn't have to be just like what anyone says God is like. God could be like that, and he also could be nothing like that. Believing in God just means that you believe there is a force that is super natural.


    The video above this sentence is an argument for why choosing one religion over another is inherently just a blind guess if your goal is metaphysical truth.

    Also, there is the matter of the supernatural being, by definition, not part of nature and thus not natural. Everything we observe is natural, as in it can be explained by natural laws. Thus, anything we observe is not supernatural. That which is not observable cannot be denied or confirmed. That said, as denial is the default position for most natural scenarios until evidence is provided, because confirmation would lead to contradictions between the now conflicting scenarios, it is simpler and more logical to dismiss claims until evidence for a claim is submitted. For example, the hypothesis that a distant, unobservable planet is square cannot be true if the hypothesis that the planet is round is true.

    The video below provides an illustration of my point.



    In conclusion, while a supernatural force cannot be DISPROVED, without evidence, it falls into the same box as the telepathic werewalrus detailed in the video.
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    For those who didn't understand what I meant, I KNOW I'm not an Atheist,
    but I'm asking you guys, if you think my belief is Atheistic or not.
    I don't believe I'm an Atheist, but I considered my belief to be that, but I wasn't sure.
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    @Magic Qwan Although I didn't read more than your first sentence, I completely understand that. Trust me dude.
    I usually don't debate about this because, obviously, it goes no where. I was feeling really intense on the day that I originally posted in this thread. I do believe in God and supernatural, but I'm not gonna keep talking to you about it because trying to convince you isn't worth my time at all, and it probably wouldn't work.

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    By today's standards, no. Technically, you probably are. I guess you're a lower-case atheist.

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    Your definition of "God" sounds very much like the definitions I've heard given to the Tao in the Tao De Ching
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