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    Quote Originally Posted by BadOctopus View Post
    What is Phil Robertson even getting at with that flimsy metaphor? Is he implying that people who don't believe in a god are amoral and incapable of telling right from wrong? Then how does he account for the Five Precepts of Buddhism?
    I wouldn't be surprised if he's pulling double duty: sharing his beliefs, but spicing them up a bit in the process to gain press. Likely doesn't care beyond that, in particular if the latter is the primary motivation.
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    Christians are just mad because it is easy to criticize their version of things. An atheist who lives a good life gets damned, while the worst person ever could go to heaven if he just asked for forgiveness and "got saved" before dying.

    I don't see what this hillbilly's point is, beyond wishful thinking about the eternal punishment of wrongdoers. If some guy rapes and kills your family in front of you, yeah, he might get away with it. Life sucks, ya know? That's nature for you. Believing he will go to hell does what, exactly?

    Certainly none of it changes the way sane, nonpsychopathic people would want to treat each other. Just because there are no god-given rules doesn't mean we can't choose to behave kindly and reasonably.
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    Atheism rejects an aprioristic morality, not morality per se.

    While many religious conservatives would expect the murder to receive the bulk of his punishment in afterlife, I know a couple of libertarian Atheists who would advocate medieval punishments for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dopa View Post
    Certainly none of it changes the way sane, nonpsychopathic people would want to treat each other. Just because there are no god-given rules doesn't mean we can't choose to behave kindly and reasonably.
    No no. I'm afraid you have this a bit wrong. You see, as an atheist, the only thing holding me back from my acting on my clearly strong and constant homicidal urges is the risk of getting caught.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarlaxle View Post
    Can you?


    Wait Jarlaxle, I don't get it. I thought only God could condemn, but yet he is condemning, but then he isn't. I'm confused now. Can we first sort out if he has the 'right' to condemn and THEN go from there?
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    The Duck Dynasty star made an intense and shocking speech at a Christian event on Friday in Florida where he created a hypothetical situation involving an atheist family that was meant to "show" that people who don't believe in an afterlife would make any level of violence would be OK and morally sound.
    And what if I in turn created a hypothetical situation where catholic priests were having sex with small boys and they deemed it morally sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    And what if I in turn created a hypothetical situation where catholic priests were having sex with small boys and they deemed it morally sound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YUI View Post
    What percentage of prisoners are atheists?
    [self-identified religious folks in jail]
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    Well I agree with that. Same as there is something wrong with this father that feels that speaking to his atheist son - “The reality is, you’re talking to a dead person.”
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    I'm not really sure I understand this statement unless his son is comatose.
    I've already seen that far too much... and experienced it to some degree myself.

    Some can take it to more extremes than others (based on Paul's "what do the things of Belial have to do with the things of light?" comments in 2 Cor 6:15, referencing Ps. 101:3 and other verses). Philosophically, if someone has made the choice to be a damned soul by not accepting Jesus, though, they already are living in everlasting death despite their living body, because they are tainted by sin and born into a body of death... according to the basic theology.

    So it's not really surprising to hear people say it. It's just sad. But that's what happens when you elevate a particular intellectual doctrine over actual relationship. Still, the religious faith demands that kind of adherence... so this is the end result. If you don't share the belief, you're easily an outcast from the community.
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