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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    If God was plausible, would it still be God?
    Yes. Next question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MoneyTick View Post
    Ohh boy, really?

    I think you skipped out on reading the last couple of posts.

    Did evolution here on earth start before the earth was formed?

    Certainly, the Big Bang was the catalyst that created the earth.

    But the Big Bang was a random event made possible by gravity, the elements found in a nebula, and time.

    SO ... If God did not ordain the Big Bang - Who or what created existence, time, and space?

    Did existence, time, and space create itself?

    Did the distant stars create themselves out of nothing?

    If I see a beautiful painting in an art gallery - is it fair to say that the painting did not have a painter? Did the painting create itself out of nothing?

    I see a chemistry textbook on my shelf. Is it safe to say that my college chemistry textbook did not have a writer? Did the chemistry textbook write itself?

    Please, don't confuse this with the Bible's version of creationism. The Bible's version of creationism does not jive well with scientific fact.

    I am talking about the fact that there must have been a "higher power" that created the universe in the first place, or that directs the intricacies of its existence.

    Evolution? WHAT?

    Who cares about evolution? Evolution is a fairly recent phenomenon, creationism deals with the creation of the universe and subsequent events thereafter.

    HENCE,

    If the earth wasn't created FIRST, there WOULD BE NO evolution. Unless of course, evolution created the earth. In which case we would have to merge the two words "evolution" and "big bang," which would make no sense.

    The creation of the universe comes FIRST, the development of cellular tissue and organisms comes SECOND (after the universe and earth were created).

    Creationism deals with the former, evolution deals the the latter.

    Thereto, you can't say creationism is "silly." Because evolution would be quite silly if the earth wasn't created in the first place.

    If time, gravity and matter were not present to create the nebula that developed into the big bang, that slowly created the form of the earth, that slowly fostered the formation of cellular tissue and bacteria, that slowly evolved into us humans - we wouldn't even be here at all.

    So the question isn't evolution, it's what do we do when science hits a brick wall and can't explain the unexplainable.
    My understanding of creationism is that it refers to the creation of individual species by God.

    Now if we read that delightful book, "The Origin of Species", by Charles Darwin, we find it hard to maintain that God created each individual species.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    My understanding of creationism is that it refers to the creation of individual species by God.

    Now if we read that delightful book, "The Origin of Species", by Charles Darwin, we find it hard to maintain that God created each individual species.
    Well, considering I was able to conceive of a different understanding of creationism when I was about five, I'm sure you can right now...

    Hint: it starts with the Big Bang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Well, considering I was able to conceive of a different understanding of creationism when I was about five, I'm sure you can right now...

    Hint: it starts with the Big Bang.
    Your concepts are in the Bible?

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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Schopenhauer View Post
    Expound.
    The Bible is a metaphor.

    Done.

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    This isn't chess guys, obviously you have to elaborate on your statements. Effing INTJs... lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    The Bible is a metaphor.

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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Quote Originally Posted by YWIR View Post
    This isn't chess guys, obviously you have to elaborate on your statements. Effing INTJs... lol
    What needs to be elaborated on?

    I don't see what's difficult about this...

    It is extremely easy to reconcile Christianity with the Big Bang and evolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    What needs to be elaborated on?

    I don't see what's difficult about this...

    It is extremely easy to reconcile Christianity with the Big Bang and evolution.
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    This will not end well...
    But it will at least be poetic, I suppose...

    Hmm... But what if it does end well?
    Then I suppose it will be a different sort of poetry, a preferable sort...
    A sort I could become accustomed to...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Schopenhauer View Post
    Expound.
    Why?

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