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    Default I posted on this islam extremists youtube page and the responses i got..

    So here is the op, which i aimed at potential new extremists(which the guy anjem choudary pretty much tries to recruit), so that they would think again about this stuff and maybe change their minds:

    First of all i want to say that i am not an Muslim(or Christian), but i do see symbolic truth in Islam(and also more or less in other religions) and in fact believe that Mohammed received the word of God(or Allah, Eli, Eliah, Eloi, Elohim or what name you prefer for the One that cant be named), even tho my belief of God isnt identical with Islam, i respect freedom of belief, good moral standards, therefore i dont see myself as an an enemy of Islam.
    I think that sharia law aims for good of people who follow it, therefore i cant say that it is evil in any way.

    However i would want to ask a question and i would prefer the answer from someone who has studied Quran in great detail, who is able to answer my questions in politically correct manner and whose answer would be respected by other Muslims.

    First of all, i know that some, but definitely not all will see me as an enemy of Islam only because im not Muslim myself. Where does this sort of idea originate from? Because i know that Quran says that it is okay to fight the enemies of Islam, but i havent been able to find any information abut Quran defining an enemy of Islam as everyone who are not Muslims. So doesent this mean that it is just an human interpretation of Quran, not an actual word of God? And if it is an human interpretation of it and not an actual word of God and Quran also condemns killing of the innocent. Wouldnt this mean that the acts of violence done by some fundamentalist Muslims should be condemned by those who follow the true word of Allah? Also if these fundamentalists doing acts of violence against innocent people do go against the word of God and they bring bad name to Islam in the eyes of others and therefore do harm for the religion, shouldnt they be considered as the enemies of Islam by those who follow the actual word of God?

    On slightly other topic, i am interested on why the sharia law should be implemented in UK or other countries on people who are not Muslims? I would be for the idea that the sharia law should be legal to implement with Muslims(who allow it for themselves). However im against the idea that i(or others unwilling) would be obligated to follow sharia law.
    Just to clarify, that guy wants to have sharia law in UK and then in the whole world.

    I dont really believe 100% in all i said or at least i didnt say the whole truth of my views, because i wanted it to be more convincing.

    And the responses i get.. oh god. First of all its been 4 months since i posted this and no replies from muslims. Instead i get stuff like this:

    There is no freedom under Islam, if you believe in freedom of belief you won't find it in Islam.
    If you would be at least a shred intelligent as you think you are, then you would know you're asking a wrong person.
    Fuck off raghead go fuck your goat

    The only reason the americans invaded your fucked nations is because islam thinks that they should rule the world and you attack and rape your own people and the countrys that are being attacked by you 3rd world rats, the american turn around and say "Oh well this isn't good, we should help them" so they did, you fucks need to relise that you will never take the world, your religion is uneducated and immature, what is your plan, while you ragheads go in your little tinny boats planning to invade the superpower countrys with your 3rd world country weaponry what are you going to do when australian, russian, american, chinese bombers blow your towel off your head , wait until the united nations give up on you and as soon as that happens, Australia,America, Japan, New Zealand major troop movements will start to go into play and tell me what is physically going to stop there invasion forces from killing you 3rd world scum, tell me what advantages against our army's
    ^that particular aussie boy(yes his acco really is aussie boy) has profile photo where he is posing with a gun in soldiers uniform.

    Your a goof and id punch your fucking teeth out of your mouth fgor what you just said.. state where you stay or i will track you down and find you.. your choice speak and reveal who you are terrorist.. I should stone you to death and cut you hand off for stealing jesus light away from our countries.. perhaps cut your head off these people need to all be banned from our countries and never allowed here.. he who dare shall have there heads cut off how about that! No wait we are human and have souls.. unlike you animals, sick fucks!
    Seriously, its no wonder that people are turning into fundamentalism when the world is filled with retards like this..

    I just wanted to post this so that you guys could see hat muslims have to deal with in their lives, that people saying this sort of stuff is exactly why the popularity of extremism in islam in gaining strength in other countries than just muslim countries. And that you could see that saying this sort of stuff really is the wrong way dealing with this, when people should spread understanding and love, not ignorance and hatred..
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    You did say it was youtube. There are too many dicks there for me to be surprised at this. I swear it's all brain-dead idiots and gross humans that reside there. Always always offensive stuff coming from youtube commenters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by laterlazer View Post
    You did say it was youtube. There are too many dicks there for me to be surprised at this. I swear it's all brain-dead idiots and gross humans that reside there. Always always offensive stuff coming from youtube commenters.
    True, but its still pretty stupid to further provoke people to extremism in someone channel(posted this on the guys profile, not as a comment to some video) who already tries to lure potential extremists with his stuff. I mean if those things would have been said on some forum like this with not many muslims(and most likely no extremists), it would had been bit different thing, but to say those things somewhere where potential extremists navigate to is just plain retarded, especially if you dont want people turning into jihadists..

    Would be interesting to hear @Mole 's rambling about this
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    Would be interesting to hear @Mole 's rambling about this
    It is plain the West does not turn anyone into a jihadist. Rather jihad is a religious duty of muslims, and Islamic preachers and Islamic internet propagandists recruit muslims to fight jihad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    It is plain the West does not turn anyone into a jihadist. Rather jihad is a religious duty of muslims, and Islamic preachers and Islamic internet propagandists recruit muslims to fight jihad.
    But isnt it largely fueled by hatred nowadays, which westeners provoke muslims into?
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    But isnt it largely fueled by hatred nowadays, which westeners provoke muslims into?
    As you probably know, this is what muslims themselves claim. They claim the West provokes muslims to commit acts of terrorism against civilians.

    A good example of this is the terrorist attack on the cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo.

    Many muslims across the world now claim that the cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo provoked muslims into slaughtering the cartoonists in their own office.

    It's called blaming the victim.

    The psychology is interesting in that we hate those we have harmed, and so it seems natural to blame the victims for the harm.

    It is in fact an elegant psychological defence, and without the slightest shred of integrity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    As you probably know, this is what muslims themselves claim. They claim the West provokes muslims to commit acts of terrorism against civilians.

    A good example of this is the terrorist attack on the cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo.

    Many muslims across the world now claim that the cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo provoked muslims into slaughtering the cartoonists in their own office.

    It's called blaming the victim.

    The psychology is interesting in that we hate those we have harmed, and so it seems natural to blame the victims for the harm.

    It is in fact an elegant psychological defence, and without the slightest shred of integrity.
    But muslims arent just one big group. I mean there are some really sick cults that are following christian beliefs, but interpret bible in other hand very literally, but also in their own sick way. Similarly there are muslims like that. I think one big problem about all of this is exactly that non muslims think to see sick extremists who resort into terrorism as equal to your everyday muslims who lives morally better life than 90% of of christians.
    Now when young and spiritually confused youngsters in western countries are being told that they are rag head terrorist pieces of shit, hatred starts to bottle up inside of them. Now when they hear of a concept of jihad and hear justifications for it from extremists over the internet, they arent capable of making rational decisions and are misguided by possibly some terrorist recruiter(or someone who basically does that, but not a real recruiter).
    If you look at for example what i wrote(in the form of a question, but really i already knew the answer, i just wanted to make some people think about it) at op about how some extremist muslims viewing one verse of quran where it says something about beheading the enemies of islam as "all non muslims are enemies of islam and therefore should be converted or beheaded", even tho it really doesent say who is the enemy of islam and was meant more like if christians attack(remember this was hundreds of years ago) and try to kill all muslims to eradicate islam, then muslims would be allowed by god to defend themselves even by the means of killing. Killing people is not allowed other ways any more than it is for christians, and muslims follow old and new testament as words of god, even tho they recognize the fact that it has been twisted over the years and therefore not to be read word to word like quran, which still is in its original form. Really only difference is that muslims doesent view jesus as god, but as a prophet and messenger of god, so jesus is a holy man for them as much as mohammed or abraham is.
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    I think that those who study religion state the the Quran holds some violent tenets, which is the followers followed it accurately, they could be participating in what most consider to be violent thinking or action.

    Whereas the tenets of Christianity, if one were following it accurately, would hold to a more 'love your neighbor as yourself' non-violent mentality.

    But I am not an expert on the Quran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I think that those who study religion state the the Quran holds some violent tenets, which is the followers followed it accurately, they could be participating in what most consider to be violent thinking or action.

    Whereas the tenets of Christianity, if one were following it accurately, would hold to a more 'love your neighbor as yourself' non-violent mentality.

    But I am not an expert on the Quran.
    Well what you need to know essentially about islam is that they believe in old testament and new testament as christians do(but like i mentioned they recognize the fact that they have been altered over the time), so they believe in 10 commands like christians do. Quran doesent justify killing except few verses that talk about self defence against non muslims who are "enemies of islam" and stuff like that, this whole justifying killing people based on that verse who for example draw caricatures of allah(like that guy who made the charlie hebdo drawings), is just all human interpretation about this. Its no different than sick cult type of interpretations of old testament or what ever that causes some christian cults to commit horrible things.
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    I have heard from a reputable source that their allah is an unapproachable sort of god whom they must do things like suicide bombing to get the attention of, or to get into heaven.
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