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    If evil is a necessity (for the purpose of growth and development), where is the freewill in individuals choosing to be evil, sadistic, sociopathic, or psychopathic?

    This is of course assuming that there is no such thing as an outside Creator.

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    Does a psychopath realize he/she is a psychopath? Is it a conscious choice?

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    If evil is a necessity (for the purpose of growth and development)
    bit of a bold assumption to start with

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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    If evil is a necessity (for the purpose of growth and development), where is the freewill in individuals choosing to be evil, sadistic, sociopathic, or psychopathic?
    I'm not sure what you mean by 'a necessity'; a necessity for society, or for individuals, both, or something else?

    In any case, free will is an illusion resulting from the fact that we don't yet understand the brain, and that we can't see all of the factors that go into any given decision. I mean, someone can be said to choose to do evil, and that's a convenient simplification of things...but nobody wakes up in the morning and thinks "I'm going to be an evil pustule of a human being today!" Even -- and often especially -- the truly evil ones.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Does a psychopath realize he/she is a psychopath? Is it a conscious choice?
    As far as I know, sociopathy and psychopathy are not choices; they're a result of nature and/or nurture, with an emphasis on nature. In fact there's some academic who publicly spoke about realizing that he was a psychopath only after his wife(?) read some of his psychopathy-related research and said "Honey, this sounds a lot like you..." Wish I could remember the guy's name, it was a really interesting talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    If evil is a necessity (for the purpose of growth and development), where is the freewill in individuals choosing to be evil, sadistic, sociopathic, or psychopathic?
    I'm not sure what you mean by necessity, but I believe there can't be good without bad. I however don't believe that includes evil. From what I can understand evil seems to be purely sadistic. Someone enjoys hurting other people, so they do it. This is different than doing 'bad' things because usually the intent of someone causing harm is for some reason, some form of defense, or belief, rather than strictly enjoyment. I'd say intent is everything, if we're talking about evil.

    I saw a movie a little while ago and it reminded me of the distinction; the main character actually grapples with the difference - Lesson of the Evil. It's surprisingly good for a slasher film.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    If evil is a necessity (for the purpose of growth and development),

    This is of course assuming that there is no such thing as an outside Creator.
    Doesn't the first statement rest upon the supposition that the second statement if false? If the universe really is just a system of chaos then the first statement cannot be true at all. Nothing is necessary, there is no growth and development, things just are and things just change in a chaotic interaction that finds new things to create. Your first statement relies on the hand of God and there being a purpose behind what is.

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    There is no "purpose". Evil simply is, it exists, and it will never go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    There is no "purpose". Evil simply is, it exists, and it will never go away.
    But isn't evil a human concept to begin with? There's no "good" and "evil" in the animal kingdom. If there were no humans, would evil still exist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BadOctopus View Post
    But isn't evil a human concept to begin with? There's no "good" and "evil" in the animal kingdom. If there were no humans, would evil still exist?
    Blegh, I hate philosophy, too much semantics.

    I come from the standpoint that good and evil are defined by humanity since we decided what counts as each. Even if we are gone, our definition could still apply, and it could still be defined within those parameters.

    And no, I do not care to define what good and evil is. You all can do that shit . In my mind I know what it is, and that's good enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    This is of course assuming that there is no such thing as an outside Creator.
    Why is this point important?

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