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    There was a time when declaring yourself an atheist raised eyebrows (and often fists). No more. Plain old atheism is for wimps; if you want to shake things up these days, you need a good dose of antitheism.

    That's not to say that all antitheists are nihilistic windbags who apply the label to themselves solely for attention. Those who could be thus described give the group a bad name, and perhaps the effect is greater upon antitheists than in other groups such as Tibetan monks. Actually, I put forth the idea that most antitheists are cheery idealists at heart, since most of them believe that God would be evil while also being relieved by their belief that He does not exist. The ultimate pessimist would be an antitheistic theist: that is, he would believe that God is evil, and be distraught by his simultaneous belief that this evil God does exist. If you subscribe to antitheism (which theists can do, since it is a subjective opinion about God's character rather than a belief based on evidence or lack thereof), then you would be happiest if you were also an atheist. Hitchens must be wiping his brow. That was a close one.

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    Isn't anti-theism against people's belief in god(s), not the god(s) itself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colors View Post
    Isn't anti-theism against people's belief in god(s), not the god(s) itself?
    It would seem so according to the etymology, and the definitions vary. Some say antitheism is simply "militant atheism." I choose the definition concerning God's nature because I think there should be a word for it. It's an important aspect of belief. I am tired of people assuming that atheists are god-haters and that theists believe because they are emotionally needy. Belief in God's existence is one thing; belief in his goodness is another.

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    Not sure if this ties in, but much has been written about knowing God by unknowing God. In other words, our assumptions (which seem super-abundant days) are what betray us....the actual reality is much, much different. Letting go of religious assumptions can be like death...our whole world can get turned upside-down. In this case a little anti-theism (in the sense of illusion) might do us all a little good....many of us need to move past the "old man in the beard" image.

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    I thought anti-theists were those who opposed theism and sought to break down the beliefs of theists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gokartride View Post
    Not sure if this ties in, but much has been written about knowing God by unknowing God. In other words, our assumptions (which seem super-abundant days) are what betray us....the actual reality is much, much different. Letting go of religious assumptions can be like death...our whole world can get turned upside-down. In this case a little anti-theism (in the sense of illusion) might do us all a little good....many of us need to move past the "old man in the beard" image.
    As in the possibility that God is evil and Satan is good?

    Quote Originally Posted by murkrow View Post
    I thought anti-theists were those who opposed theism and sought to break down the beliefs of theists.
    By some definitions, yes. It can also mean the belief that God's existence would be a bad thing, however. Atheists also oppose the beliefs of theists; it's just that some (most?) do not spend much of their time trying to convince theists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke of York View Post
    As in the possibility that God is evil and Satan is good?
    The names emerge from concepts..."God" is the name (there are others) for a life force that is essentially benevolent and beautiful. "Satan" conceptually is a perversion of that based on pride and deception. One system of operation works...one doesn't, generating dysfunction/chaos. One can call them different names, but the basic sense of these two remain and are found in many cultural systems. The "God" concept...when understood properly...should connect us to love, caring/nurturing, truth, purity, forgiveness, respect for others, etc..

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    Hi TLM.

    For me antitheist is the person which lives life like a militant atheist. And in the case that Bible turns out to be the truth. That person would be against good and evil side.
    That is because this person dreams about destruction of everything that has something to do with religion.

    In the group agnosticism , atheism ...... antitheism is the most radical option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sassafrassquatch View Post
    Okay, so what I had in mind is closer to maltheism, or dystheism if you are theist.

    Quote Originally Posted by gokartride View Post
    The names emerge from concepts..."God" is the name (there are others) for a life force that is essentially benevolent and beautiful. "Satan" conceptually is a perversion of that based on pride and deception. One system of operation works...one doesn't, generating dysfunction/chaos. One can call them different names, but the basic sense of these two remain and are found in many cultural systems. The "God" concept...when understood properly...should connect us to love, caring/nurturing, truth, purity, forgiveness, respect for others, etc..
    Suppose those concepts are embodied by opposing spirits. How can you know which is which, especially if one of them is supposed to be more powerful than the other?

    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    In the group agnosticism , atheism ...... antitheism is the most radical option.
    The harshest definition of antitheism is no more radical than certain varieties of theism.

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