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  • I'm an atheist

    36 27.48%
  • I'm agnostic

    25 19.08%
  • Buddhism

    6 4.58%
  • Hinduism

    1 0.76%
  • Islam

    2 1.53%
  • Christianity

    39 29.77%
  • Other

    22 16.79%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post

    I have never envied people of simple faith. To me, that was just one small step away from blissful ignorance. I don't look down on people just for not sharing my faith, though. If I look down on anyone, it is on people who don't understand their own faith, who can't explain it in any rational or coherent manner, and who don't even bother to think about it and question it.
    I think this is what is so disconcerting about religion and faith to me. If a person can't talk to me without injecting their faith or their version of faith into a conversation (give it to god, it's in gods hands, god leads me), that's a problem. Not for me but for them because that level of ignorance is completely voluntary. It also seems like an acceptable crutch to avoid making difficult decisions or commanding their own life. It's much easier to let someone or something else do the work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Whilst I see your point I liken it to one person trying to validate their choice of a bag which is totally unsuited to the task of carrying items without crippling the carrier as compared to someone who simply states "I just like it". There's a simple honesty to the latter whilst the former comes across as desperate grasping for validation.
    I've stated that on multiple occasions before. Choosing to believe something beyond what can be shown seems more fairly justifiable if you just admit a realistic personal basis for it (I want to believe, I see value in the beliefs themselves and so I choose to accept everything included, I personally like it, this is familiar to me and something I grew up with, etc.) I get more frustrated with all the distortions, like YEC or ID or whatever else, to try to support it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by riva View Post
    Please tell me what other gods you worship. Don't bore me by saying that you are an agnostic. Please accept my apologies if you have already mentioned this and I have missed it.
    Hahah. I pick and choose my gods. I find gods in the world to be created by images seen by man.. facets of the same source. So invoking a particular source and idea calls up a particular god.

    I mostly stick to Norse gods and celtic pagan vague images of 'goddess' and 'god' because.. well.. I don't really pray that often and those are the ones I tend to know about the most. I don't find the need to in comparison to just meditating. But I do do it. I stay away from Greek gods, even though they interest me, because they seem so.. fickle and crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    I don't consider someone ignorant of a topic until they do in fact demonstrate it. Why discuss something with an ignorant person? Everything I know, at some point I did not know. I learned it somehow, often through discourse with someone more knowledgeable than I. If the other person is ignorant, I can share what I know with them. If it turns out I am ignorant on the topic, I can learn from them. Not bothering to discuss is a recipe for perpetuating our collective ignorance.

    @Xander: I agree with most of what you wrote, and have long avoided organized religion for similar reasons. It is interesting how your quote uses light as a metaphor. As I read it, light is not the result of your search either, but rather a tool you use in conducting it. You could use other tools instead or in addition. What the light shows you is the result, but of course you will find only what is available in the area of your search.

    I have never envied people of simple faith. To me, that was just one small step away from blissful ignorance. I don't look down on people just for not sharing my faith, though. If I look down on anyone, it is on people who don't understand their own faith, who can't explain it in any rational or coherent manner, and who don't even bother to think about it and question it.


    One can be aware of an ongoing situation, but remain ignorant of its causes and precise nature. Many westerners who attempt to analyze the situation in the middle east fall into this category, though I am not specifying Lark among them.
    I'm hesitant about the middle east for the same reasons I'm hesitant about Africa or even the Ukraine, in some ways, because I have heard some pretty silly but explicable given the main sources views expressed about northern ireland and the on going problems here.

    In NI there's a clash of nationalisms, religious sectarianism and other political ideologies, like socialism and paramilitarism, combine that with a lot of revelations about organised sexual abuse on both sides of the border and both sides of the sectarian divide apparently organised and covered up by the establishment and its a perfect disaster and storm.

    I'm sure that other contexts are as complex as that and the simplified accounts which make it through the media ringer are likely to be serving some all too obvious purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    I think this is what is so disconcerting about religion and faith to me. If a person can't talk to me without injecting their faith or their version of faith into a conversation (give it to god, it's in gods hands, god leads me), that's a problem. Not for me but for them because that level of ignorance is completely voluntary. It also seems like an acceptable crutch to avoid making difficult decisions or commanding their own life. It's much easier to let someone or something else do the work.
    There's such thing as rational faith, I've read humanists and atheists talk about it but even people who are not naturalists or materialists or whatever can be pretty rational.

    If you compare the scholars to the elements who subverted and, unfortunately, superseded them, in a supposedly progressive move, its not to difficult to discern a major difference in thinking.

    Much of the discussion proceeds down blind alleys because repeatedly good secularism is compared with bad religion, which hopefully anyone religious or not would think the same way about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I've stated that on multiple occasions before. Choosing to believe something beyond what can be shown seems more fairly justifiable if you just admit a realistic personal basis for it (I want to believe, I see value in the beliefs themselves and so I choose to accept everything included, I personally like it, this is familiar to me and something I grew up with, etc.) I get more frustrated with all the distortions, like YEC or ID or whatever else, to try to support it.
    Those things are all legacies of the higher criticism and discoveries of victorian bible hunters, its only a big problem for any tradition which is solo scriptural and biblical literalist.

    I read a good quote today, although it was in relation to Freud, about how if a theory hadnt changed in the years after its originator demise it wasnt a good theory but some sort of fossil remains and also not reflective of the theorising of its originator either. I'm sure the same could be said of the bible too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    I'm not sure about all these isms.. I tend to think of myself as neither an ism believer nor an ist. I'm kinda anti ist, well anti strong views which don't stem from a good set of principles.

    Can we not have one of these groups that just "Oh you sit in the middle and wait to see who's got good points"? I could go for that one.
    Pragmatism.

    Although you dont like isms.

    I think you'd like GK Chesterton or benefit from giving him a read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Pragmatism.

    Although you dont like isms.

    I think you'd like GK Chesterton or benefit from giving him a read.
    Having read a short excerpt from Orthodoxy, I'd be inclined to agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    I'm not sure about all these isms.. I tend to think of myself as neither an ism believer nor an ist. I'm kinda anti ist, well anti strong views which don't stem from a good set of principles.
    Alright alright, everyone's a special snowflake.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Can we not have one of these groups that just "Oh you sit in the middle and wait to see who's got good points"? I could go for that one.
    I think there's a word for that, but it's an -ism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Having read a short excerpt from Orthodoxy, I'd be inclined to agree.

    Thanks.
    I think his response to Nietzsche's idea of beyond good and evil is priceless.

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