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    Lightbulb Islam Hasn't Changed: We Have

    So I was browsing the Internet and found this article from 2013: http://chersonandmolschky.com/2013/09/07/islam-changed/

    Here's the first paragraph, quoted:

    When the most violent religion on earth is called the religion of peace, it may be time to consider the fact that something is seriously wrong with our society. In the past, Westerners and other non-Muslims had no trouble speaking their mind on a religion which has been all about the sword from the get-go. There are various compilations of quotes from an array of statesmen, philosophers, historians, and theologians throughout the ages on the brainwashing, the savagery and the lies which are all intrinsic to a religion which not only conquers with the sword but also maintains itself with the sword. In other words, convert or die (or live as a dhimmi, a second-class citizen), and if you leave and become an apostate, you die as well.
    Sure, the article is over a year old now, but I think it still very much applies in today's world. Any thoughts on this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morning Star View Post
    So I was browsing the Internet and found this article from 2013: http://chersonandmolschky.com/2013/09/07/islam-changed/

    Here's the first paragraph, quoted:



    Sure, the article is over a year old now, but I think it still very much applies in today's world. Any thoughts on this?
    A politically correct socialist society is one with only a pretense at moral values - a society waiting to be conquered by a stronger, values-oriented society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morning Star View Post
    Sure, the article is over a year old now, but I think it still very much applies in today's world. Any thoughts on this?
    The ironic disparity between this post and your signature is delicious.
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    Islamic fundamentalism shouldn't be equated with the general Muslim population, though most of them are very religious and share a hardcore conservative worldview.
    If Islam is savagley because it was spreaded violently than Christianity is too, since that's the way we rolled in South America.
    However, there has to be a reason people all over Europe are protesting against this religion right now and it's not just because of the hundreds of extremist groups we heard of in recent years. The problem is the return back to conservatism since the Islamic revival in the 70s. Islam is not only a religion it's a cultural identity. Burkas have become common again, criticism is not tolerated, Erdogan is winning elections in Turkey.
    A religion becomes dangerous when you mix it up with politics. And if mosques have priests paid by the Arabs, then we should not dismiss it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    The ironic disparity between this post and your signature is delicious.
    I still have yet to change it after finding the article, don't despair!

    Sarcasm aside, I'm all for coexisting. It's not the religion I'm against, but the fundamentalist/extreme side of it. I would react the same way if I were to see fanatic Hindus/Christians and the like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephano View Post
    Islamic fundamentalism shouldn't be equated with the general Muslim population, though most of them are very religious and share a hardcore conservative worldview.
    If Islam is savagley because it was spreaded violently than Christianity is too, since that's the way we rolled in South America.
    However, there has to be a reason people all over Europe are protesting against this religion right now and it's not just because of the hundreds of extremist groups we heard of in recent years. The problem is the return back to conservatism since the Islamic revival in the 70s. Islam is not only a religion it's a cultural identity. Burkas have become common again, criticism is not tolerated, Erdogan is winning elections in Turkey.
    A religion becomes dangerous when you mix it up with politics. And if mosques have priests paid by the Arabs, then we should not dismiss it.
    Good points made.

    I'm not against Muslims or anything, and I have no problems with Islam being practiced. However, I don't like when its fundamental side tries to force itself upon the world (which is what most, if not all, fundamental ideologies like this tend to do). That's what I'm against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morning Star View Post
    So I was browsing the Internet and found this article from 2013: http://chersonandmolschky.com/2013/09/07/islam-changed/

    Here's the first paragraph, quoted:



    Sure, the article is over a year old now, but I think it still very much applies in today's world. Any thoughts on this?
    Maybe but you need to be careful about how to fight these kinds of movements.

    What you resist, persists and political islam sorely needs resistance, opposition and an other to constitute a threat or oppressor in order to exist.

    For as long as the mobilised masses can believe that their poverty and oppression is a result of foreign devilry or something like it the longer the very conditions which keep them down will persist because they are not paying attention to the proper things to change to improve their lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal12345 View Post
    A politically correct socialist society is one with only a pretense at moral values - a society waiting to be conquered by a stronger, values-oriented society.
    Maybe a politically correct socialist society is that way and maybe its something indomitable like China, what do you think?

    The fascist vibe is so 1940s.

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    Perhaps I haven't explained my own viewpoint clearly enough. My apologies!

    Guys, I'm not against Islam, and I'm not against Muslims. In fact, I would take this article with a grain of salt. However, this is the point I want to make clear to you: asking other religions to remove their symbols and all, while wanting to have your symbols out there, seems quite hypocritical to me. I think people from all religions have a right to express their beliefs and wear their symbols freely, without worrying about offending others.
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