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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    That was exactly what I was thinking too in response to @Evee post. Except instead of puritans, I'd substitute early Christians perhaps.

    This leads me to believe that there is a transcendent yearning for man to attain a place where the events around him do not affect him. Usually this is only attained by religion or spiritual pursuit. Since Socrates made a religion out of his philosophy, it makes sense.

    I think of the apostle Paul, and many of the Christian martyrs, that withstood torture gracefully, right to their end.

    It's a fascinating state to attain or contemplate.
    Indeed, this is called religious experience. Or another way of describing it is trance level 4, which consists of four trances, all nested within each other, leading to the experience of interiority as reality.

    The interiority of Socrates is called the Socratic Method and the interiority of the martyrs is called faith.

    And both choose death rather than give up the reality of their interiority.

    For, The Varieties of Religious Experience, by William James, written in 1902, click on http://www2.hn.psu.edu/faculty/jmani...es-rel-exp.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    What is fascinating is the similarlty between the Ancient Greek Stoics and American Puritans.

    American Puritans have received a bad press in recent times, but it was American Puritans who made America, just as the Ancient Greek Stoics like Socrates made Western Philosophy.
    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    That was exactly what I was thinking too in response to @Evee post. Except instead of puritans, I'd substitute early Christians perhaps.

    This leads me to believe that there is a transcendent yearning for man to attain a place where the events around him do not affect him. Usually this is only attained by religion or spiritual pursuit. Since Socrates made a religion out of his philosophy, it makes sense.

    I think of the apostle Paul, and many of the Christian martyrs, that withstood torture gracefully, right to their end.

    It's a fascinating state to attain or contemplate.
    There are practically no differences between the lives of the Stoics, and those of the Christian and Buddhist saints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evee View Post
    There are practically no differences between the lives of the Stoics, and those of the Christian and Buddhist saints.

    Indeed. The force of the soul, or our true selves, bares itself upon us and pierces through matter like the bright white lights of a baseball stadium seen through the dug out.
    "i shut the door and in the morning
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    Olemn slammed his hammer and from the sparks on the metal of his anvil came the spheres of the heavens.

    Sayrah blew life into the spheres and they moved. From her wheel she weaved the names of people in to mystery.

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    I've been reading some old myth's like the Odyssey, Carl Jung, and listening to some lectures on social hierarchy and structure.

    Socrates seems to have been a fool. He tries to disentangle the idea of gods without realizing that in general people don't have time to think too much about philosophy because they have to work so the myth's serve to keep order.

    He pursued what he thought was good, truth, when in reality the truth was the society needed the myth to remain stable and so lives could be nurtured. The truth is, as Darwin said, that which sustains life, peace, etc, not that which is factual. We can talk about facts all day but this isn't wisdom.

    The myths had a moral code which served to stabilize society, as they do today, for example we believe in many myths today such as that we have unalienable rights.
    So you're saying he was too dumb to realize that people are too dumb to understand things rationally and need myths and tradition to do so, as well those two things being the only means to preserve peace?

    (ancient person No.1:"Hey dude why did you kill that man?!"

    ancient person No.2:"Because I don't believe in Zeus duh!"

    ancient person No.1:"You all motherf*ckers need Zeus!")

    He was a blight, and selfish fool, and devoted his brilliant mind
    He was a selfish fool with a brilliant mind ...

    You two have a love-hate relationship don't you?

    Sorry Socrates...today I shed my skin and am free of your corrosive attitude and I bath in my humanity and mystically participate.
    Did you use his philosophy before instead of a soap?

    I once tried to bathe in nihilism and became very disappointed when I came out as dry and dirty as before, so yeah I'm not doing that anymore. Can you give some tips on how to bathe in humanity? (if there's a way to do it without the necessity of shedding skin I'd appreciate the advice greatly,tnx in advance)

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