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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke O View Post
    I don't believe in God, and I don't subscribe to any religion, but I haven't fully discounted the possibility of other things, other energies that science can't fully explain yet. The human mind has elevated us above mere animals, but is there potential above just being smarter?

    I've experimented with magic in the past, to try to tap into such energies (with some skepticism) - what I found was either magic or self-coaching etc. That was a few years ago, now.
    I wish magic was real. Or that I knew how to access it, if it is real.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BluRoses View Post
    I wish magic was real. Or that I knew how to access it, if it is real.
    That's what I'm trying to find out, it's an ongoing experiment!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BluRoses View Post
    I wish magic was real. Or that I knew how to access it, if it is real.
    Magic is real. It's just not what you think it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Magic is real. It's just not what you think it is.
    What is your experience of magic? Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iNtrovert View Post
    There’s more to it than that. Aside from the fact that the universe has been proven to have a definite beginning and is expanding leading to a definite end it is material. We know material things have a life cycle. Also the concept of a non-created God was ascribed those qualities long before it became convenient. The fact of the matter is anything that makes a claim to exists prior to the existence of the universe would need these qualities in light of what we know about the nature of the universe.



    6 . Synthetic necessity obtains where a statement of the form “Necessarily p” (or “It cannot be that so-and-so”) is true and neither it, nor p, is analytic. For example, “Nothing can be green and red all over” is presumably a case of synthetic necessity if the concept of being not red is not contained in the concept of being green. “Necessarily, bachelors are unmarried”, on the other hand, is not a case of synthetic necessity because it is analytic that bachelors are unmarried.7-The Necessity of God’s Existence 1 Daniel von Wachter



    Already addressed this



    Occam's razor the fewer assumptions that are made, the better. I’d like to know what assumptions about the concept of God need to be made that a supposed Universe without God are not. We are not talking about a specific God or doctrine just the concept of a God that is omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent.
    The Universe has not been proven to have a beginning, rather a catalytic even from which spawned laws of physics etc etc, but the question of what caused that event is what's being discussed, not the event itself. So, this is hardly a "beginning", I mean, sure, it was the beginning of someone, but so was this morning's dawn, it's not relevant to the conversation. Material things of our experienced nature, or rather, within our current/local understanding of physics have a life cycle, that's entropy, so the things within a closed system devolve into chaos over time, yes, but we're not talking about these things, we're talking about the system, and the beginning of this system. You cannot attribute it or characterise it as a "material thing". The fact is that we have no idea what came before the Universe, what caused that event, we are all agnostic to it, and any assertion about the cause is one out of ignorance. All we know is that thing must have the capability to create the Universe, that's it, "omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience" are not required, therefore characterising the cause of the Universe as such is an unjustifiable assumption. Also, the assumptions made about the aforementioned God that are not necessarily applicable to the cause of the Universe, like I said before. The cause of the Universe needs only the capability to create the Universe, not any of the three traits that this mentioned God has. First of all, omnipotence means the capability to do all, omniscience is to be in every possible place, omniscience is to know every conceivable thing. Well, material cannot "know". Also, the only argument that can be made for "omnipotence" being applicable, is if you want to play a semantics game and imply that the "omni" means all in the Universe. Which would be a poor attempt.
    Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion man.

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    People are deeply uninspired in their pursuit for knowledge.

    Which is fine and dandy, so long as you proclaim ignorance, as those seeking do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke O View Post
    What is your experience of magic? Just curious.
    To put it in the most stale way possible, I'd see magic as cause-and-effect where the relationship between 'cause' and 'effect' isn't readily apparent or solidified.

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    I absolutely believe the universe is intelligently benevolent because I don't have to be alive for ever.

    I just have to struggle to stay alive as long as I can even though it would be easier to jump off the ledge and then die knowing I fought the good fight by carrying my own weight without ending it like a coward.

    The boss man can't follow me into the after life. No sir. Souls without bodies cannot be slaves.


    For that I'm thankful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luke O View Post
    What is your experience of magic? Just curious.
    Imaging what you want to happen, and turning that into reality.

    An oversimplification, but the practical gist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Imaging what you want to happen, and turning that into reality.

    An oversimplification, but the practical gist.
    This.

    But I not as well versed in it as many of our NTJs seem to be.

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