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    Quote Originally Posted by Amalie Muller View Post
    I feel this thread is ignoring the more important questions, like "What effect does cheese have on the development of roses?"
    I was actually thinking the exact same thing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinny-Love View Post
    No, my fair-skinned brother.


    Yes, I take supplements to remedy that. Have you heard of Joseph Prince? He's right on and probably ENTP. If I lived in Singapore, my pastor would be Joseph Prince.
    Joseph Prince is sexy but he is inconsistent in his own teachings and contradicts the Bible... This is coming from an atheist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OptoGypsy View Post
    Joseph Prince is sexy but he is inconsistent in his own teachings and contradicts the Bible... This is coming from an atheist.
    I'd like to debate your detailed perspective on Joseph Prince; where to begin?

    I'll start with sexy. Prince's hair has attractive volume and style. His charisma is magnetic.

    Prince teaches words and literal meanings from the Bible in Greek and Hebrew in proper context. He has a way of teaching pure, unadulterated grace from the Bible that leaves no room for condemnation or any other faith-robbing thoughts that keep people feeling separated from God. What happens when people feel separated from God? They chase empty feelings to fill the God-size hole inside.

    Moreover, Prince teaches from the Bible about how Jesus died for sinners, not perfect people. Religion is man-made and brainwashes people into thinking that we win favor with God through right *doing* but that is a perverted, self-righteous misinterpretation of the Bible. Jesus did the doing for us on the cross; he was judged and punished (in our place) for all of our sins: past, present, and future. Grace isn't earned. Grace is a free gift.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinny-Love View Post
    I'd like to debate your detailed perspective on Joseph Prince; where to begin?

    I'll start with sexy. Prince's hair has attractive volume and style. His charisma is magnetic.

    Prince teaches words and literal meanings from the Bible in Greek and Hebrew in proper context. He has a way of teaching pure, unadulterated grace from the Bible that leaves no room for condemnation or any other faith-robbing thoughts that keep people feeling separated from God. What happens when people feel separated from God? They chase empty feelings to fill the God-size hole inside.

    Moreover, Prince teaches from the Bible about how Jesus died for sinners, not perfect people. Religion is man-made and brainwashes people into thinking that we win favor with God through right *doing* but that is a perverted, self-righteous misinterpretation of the Bible. Jesus did the doing for us on the cross; he was judged and punished (in our place) for all of our sins: past, present, and future. Grace isn't earned. Grace is a free gift.

    Amen, its just that he can be translated to saying that by faith alone you are saved but as the bureaucratic apostle Paul has to say "show me your works without your faith or your faith without your works...."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinny-Love View Post
    I'd like to debate your detailed perspective on Joseph Prince; where to begin?

    I'll start with sexy. Prince's hair has attractive volume and style. His charisma is magnetic.

    Prince teaches words and literal meanings from the Bible in Greek and Hebrew in proper context. He has a way of teaching pure, unadulterated grace from the Bible that leaves no room for condemnation or any other faith-robbing thoughts that keep people feeling separated from God. What happens when people feel separated from God? They chase empty feelings to fill the God-size hole inside.

    Moreover, Prince teaches from the Bible about how Jesus died for sinners, not perfect people. Religion is man-made and brainwashes people into thinking that we win favor with God through right *doing* but that is a perverted, self-righteous misinterpretation of the Bible. Jesus did the doing for us on the cross; he was judged and punished (in our place) for all of our sins: past, present, and future. Grace isn't earned. Grace is a free gift.

    "God-sized hole"........pssshhhhhh

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephsharik View Post
    "God-sized hole"........pssshhhhhh
    I want to be respectful. If I come across as condescending at any point here, that's not my intention; please have mercy.

    Quote Originally Posted by OptoGypsy View Post
    Amen, its just that he can be translated to saying that by faith alone you are saved but as the bureaucratic apostle Paul has to say "show me your works without your faith or your faith without your works...."
    Hmmm, looks like James 2:17. When I consider the greater context, it appears James is describing faith in action; a supernatural phenomenon that occurs when one is 'walking in the spirit' or the Holy Spirit is working through a believer. I don't see any mention of atoning benefits or adding to what Jesus did on Calvary.

    Let's explore an even greater context. Remember in John 8 where people were judging a women in adultery and Jesus told the people that whoever was without sin may cast the first stone? Then Jesus said, "Woman, where are those your accusers? has no man condemned you?" She said, "No Lord." And Jesus said, "then neither do I condemn you: go, and sin no more." He did that because he knew he would bear her sins on the cross. By extending undeserved, unmerited Grace to her, He empowered her to "go and sin no more".
    For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. (2 Corinthians 5:14)

    Romans explains when one has a revelation of God's grace and unmerited favor, sin no longer has dominion over them.
    For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. (Romans 6:14)


    There are no discrepancies here; we are saved through faith, not works, lest any man should boast. Overwhelmingly the Bible tells us that we are saved through faith alone apart from works.

    "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God Not of works, lest any man should boast" (Eph. 2:8-9).

    "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Rom. 4:5).

    "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life." (Titus 3:5-7)

    Romans 3:20 "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight for by the law is the knowledge of sin."

    Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

    John 3:15-16, 36 "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skinny-Love View Post
    I want to be respectful. If I come across as condescending at any point here, that's not my intention; please have mercy.


    Hmmm, looks like James 2:17. When I consider the greater context, it appears James is describing faith in action; a supernatural phenomenon that occurs when one is 'walking in the spirit' or the Holy Spirit is working through a believer. I don't see any mention of atoning benefits or adding to what Jesus did on Calvary.

    Let's explore an even greater context. Remember in John 8 where people were judging a women in adultery and Jesus told the people that whoever was without sin may cast the first stone? Then Jesus said, "Woman, where are those your accusers? has no man condemned you?" She said, "No Lord." And Jesus said, "then neither do I condemn you: go, and sin no more." He did that because he knew he would bear her sins on the cross. By extending undeserved, unmerited Grace to her, He empowered her to "go and sin no more".
    For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. (2 Corinthians 5:14)

    Romans explains when one has a revelation of God's grace and unmerited favor, sin no longer has dominion over them.
    For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace. (Romans 6:14)


    There are no discrepancies here; we are saved through faith, not works, lest any man should boast. Overwhelmingly the Bible tells us that we are saved through faith alone apart from works.

    "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God Not of works, lest any man should boast" (Eph. 2:8-9).

    "But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness" (Rom. 4:5).

    "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life." (Titus 3:5-7)

    Romans 3:20 "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight for by the law is the knowledge of sin."

    Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."

    John 3:15-16, 36 "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him."
    Doesn't change the fact that people still have to live by the two commandments Jesus set in place besides making disciples, the point of the religion is to give "hope" into peoples lives through the act of brainwashing them under the fluorescent water of grace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OptoGypsy View Post
    Doesn't change the fact that people still have to live by the two commandments Jesus set in place besides making disciples, the point of the religion is to give "hope" into peoples lives through the act of brainwashing them under the fluorescent water of grace.
    Your fluorescent waters provided me inspiration! I see it now! Faith without works is dead if one takes on the commission to share the gospel. Works expressed in love would be absolutely necessary to draw people to Christ. Jesus said, "I have loved you with an everlasting love; I have drawn you with unfailing kindness." (Jeremiah 31:3)

    I believe that's the proper way to approach James 2:17 because in the scripture preceding Col 1:24 Paul has a high view of Christ's redeeming work. Paul understands Christ's redemptive work to be finished, completed, and perfected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OptoGypsy View Post
    Amen, its just that he can be translated to saying that by faith alone you are saved but as the bureaucratic apostle Paul has to say "show me your works without your faith or your faith without your works...."
    Actually, that quote was from James and not Paul. Paul is not the only writer of the New Testament as many seem to believe, if you listen to the preachers now a days. What James was saying is, we cannot earn our salvation by serving or doing good works, as obeying God. But such actions show we are genuinely committed to God having accepted Jesus death on the cross for our salvation. Deeds of loving service are not a substitute for, but rather a verification of, our faith in Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LonestarCowgirl View Post
    I'd like to debate your detailed perspective on Joseph Prince; where to begin?

    I'll start with sexy. Prince's hair has attractive volume and style. His charisma is magnetic.

    Prince teaches words and literal meanings from the Bible in Greek and Hebrew in proper context. He has a way of teaching pure, unadulterated grace from the Bible that leaves no room for condemnation or any other faith-robbing thoughts that keep people feeling separated from God. What happens when people feel separated from God? They chase empty feelings to fill the God-size hole inside.

    Moreover, Prince teaches from the Bible about how Jesus died for sinners, not perfect people. Religion is man-made and brainwashes people into thinking that we win favor with God through right *doing* but that is a perverted, self-righteous misinterpretation of the Bible. Jesus did the doing for us on the cross; he was judged and punished (in our place) for all of our sins: past, present, and future. Grace isn't earned. Grace is a free gift.

    What i read is that Jesus died so i can go out and do whatever i want...no need to follow him...he has already done it.

    Free-for-all!!!!!!!!!! No reprecussions!!!!!!!!!


    Actually i think there is right and wrong doing, but i dont think "religious" people are any better at determining what is right and what is wrong.
    Im out, its been fun
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