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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post

    You could be the most physically imposing man in the world, but if you are impotent, you are not an alpha male. Period.
    False, the alpha male could take his women in the dark and bang them with a strap on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCheeseBurgerKing View Post
    False, the alpha male could take his women in the dark and bang them with a strap on.
    If he can't pass on his genes, he isn't an alpha.

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    False, alpha malehood is all about perception.

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    The Alpha Male is is part of the hierarchy of the animal kingdom. So we have Alpha Males in a monkey troupe, and we have Alpha Males in a herd of elephants.

    And although homo sapiens is part of the animal kingdom, we are different than the other animals in that we are meaning creating animals.

    In fact we actually create the meaning of the words Alpha Male.

    And we apply the words Alpha Male to homo sapiens out of vanity and to create a sexual frisson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    So lets say there is some big shot alpha male acting all big and shit, then there is someone who doesent care about the alpha male trying to be all alpha, but just finds it amusing, laughs at him(understanding it, but not caring if it hits the alpha males ego and makes him angry) and doesent take the alpha male seriously in any way(which will most likely piss off the alpha male and making him try to act bigger, which is just met with more amusement and looking down on the alpha male).

    So which is the real alpha male?

    This is such a social dominant question.

    It depends on who everyone is drawn to. What you're describing sounds like the difference between + and - social hierarchies where +ves are less concerned with their positions and -ves dwell on their position. The guy who supposedly doesn't care seems like a -ve beta or -ve gamma because +ve alpha men are natural leaders, they don't need to prove to themselves that they're more powerful - they need to show others that they are.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    An alpha male is defined by his success with women, nothing else.
    Actually women are seen as a product of the +ve alpha males success not the goal, whereas -ve alpha males see women as goals.
    Last edited by Wixiw; 08-27-2014 at 06:51 AM. Reason: gamma not delta
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    So lets say there is some big shot alpha male acting all big and shit, then there is someone who doesent care about the alpha male trying to be all alpha, but just finds it amusing, laughs at him(understanding it, but not caring if it hits the alpha males ego and makes him angry) and doesent take the alpha male seriously in any way(which will most likely piss off the alpha male and making him try to act bigger, which is just met with more amusement and looking down on the alpha male).

    So which is the real alpha male?
    Alpha Male is a useless term, partly because it means so many different things to different people. Among animals, where the term originated from, the alpha is the leader of the pack. Likewise, among humans, it's not about specific personality traits as much as having followers. The leader of a book club may have a very different personality than the leader of a death squad. Even in high school with all of its various cliques, oftentimes, leaders emerge within those individual groups. Some people might view certain cliques as more elite than others (jocks vs nerds) but that's really subjective. There is no defined social hierarchy in high school; just people who do their own thing or follow others who do. In a civilized society which elects its officials, the qualities of an effective leader are probably not the same qualities that a leader would possess in a less civilized society where mobs are violently rivaling for power. Being a leader doesn't mean that a person is necessarily a good leader either. History is rife with evil and/or incompetent leaders who led their nations to ruin.

    Though certain personality traits are often associated with being alpha, such as confidence, it's not necessarily true. In many cases, the psychological need to control others or be viewed as a leader is compensating for a lack of self-contentment. Hitler is a good example of this. His messiah complex was a result of deep-seated insecurities. The man's ability to ascend from a starving artist who was impoverished, homeless and suicidal, unable to provide for his own basic needs, to becoming the leader of a vast military and political regime was the result of a carefully crafted persona. He was one of the most alpha males of the 20th century, but he hardly had a healthy self-esteem or any legitimate sense of self-worth.

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    As long as other people in the group consider the alpha male as a source of "instructions", then he's the alpha regardless. If other people start "siding" with the newcomer/outsider, he's going to be more alpha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    An alpha male is defined by his success with women, nothing else.
    Depends on society's values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptive View Post
    Actually women are seen as a product of the +ve alpha males success not the goal, whereas -ve alpha males see women as goals.
    No. If a man does not or cannot pass on his genes to the next generation, he has failed his fundamental purpose in existing.

    An alpha male is simply a man who is in a state where he can select from a pool of women (i.e. potential mates) at will. In other words, the women must compete for the alpha.

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    Discussing the definition of words while believing to discuss a complex theoretical question: Ti.

    The alpha male is the alpha male and 'the real alpha male'; otherwise he would not be 'the alpha male'. There are no alpha males in human societies, just men with big egos and small penises.
    Last edited by Nicodemus; 08-28-2014 at 09:04 AM.

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