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mrs
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I don't think I have the intellectual capacity to address such a profound question.
 
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ThatGirl

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Where I live everyone has their trash cans on the side of their house, facing open lid out, from the very small spot it fits in, between the bushes.
My trash can faces backwards because since the lid is easy to reach in either direction, it cuts the hassel to place the trash can handel side out for transportation to the street and back...
My trash can makes sense.
 

gokartride

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My trash can makes sense.
So you have considered the true function of your trash can and have oriented it so it can realize the purpose for which it exists in a less awkward, more effective fashion. You did not follow the crowd, but made a choice to be different because it seemed right based on careful consideration. Would that other things in life were dealt with in a similar fashion....perhaps more of it would also make sense. :yes:
 

rhinosaur

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Lots of things make sense. For example, if it's a warm sunny day, and I have a wet tent, I can lay the wet tent out in the sun to dry. That makes sense.
 

sassafrassquatch

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What makes sense?

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Homini Lupus

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There's a process called socialization in wich young men are told what makes sense and what doesn't. Further socialisation is made by the mass media. Common sense is one of the most totalitarian ideas ever created by men. Once a thing is common sense it cannot be discussed anymore unless you are ready to be considered a fool.
 

gokartride

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Once a thing is common sense it cannot be discussed anymore unless you are ready to be considered a fool.
No necessarily so, but this does bring up a very interesting point.

Based on what I have seen, common sense exists mainly in the sphere if the present, and what constituted common sense in the past may not be/seem relevant today. Or is it? In the past it may have made perfect sense to build a wall around one's city, but this does not make sense today. However, upon examination, the building of a wall around a city wasn't about the wall at all...it was about safety from threat....and, yes, that does still makes sense today w/ firewalls and passports and security checks and the like.

I find that, speaking from the perspective of religion, many of the same things are at work. An idea that originated as "common sense" at one time gets passed down and at some point seems archaic or medieval and is therefore dismissed as irrelevant. This happens a lot today as many people consider the concepts of religion an out-dated joke (and in many regards I don't blame them)!! However, upon revisiting the primitive origins of this old-school "common sense" it seems that the external manifestation are not really about what we may think. In it's origins, it was about something much more basic, profound, and important.....and timeless. Returning to the sources of inspiration and reexamining these in light of a world that has changed all too quickly actually yields fresh insights and direction. In the end, the action we thought of as outdated "common sense".....while outdated in some regards....turns out being about something deeper that is still very relevant. This illustrates a big gap in how religious thought is expressed today...these ideas seem so unrecognizable and irrelevant, yet they are really highly important!!!

Take the idea of sin. We all know how neurotic fretting over, avoiding, and feeling guilty over sin can be. In the end...is it worth it??? No....or so it seems. However, the basis for the concept were call "sin" is really based in the idea that certain actions diminish us as persons, blinds us, lessens our ability to be truly free, and cut us off from our true selves and even others. In other words....sin does not work and is a source of unhealth. So now the concept....once thought of as outdated and archaic (based on how we experienced the concept) now can carry fresh inspiration for leading a more full, complete life.

It's like being told as a child "do not cross the street w/o holding an adult's hand!!" Well in the end we find out as adults that yes, you can in fact cross the street...it's no problem. The real issue, though, wasn't that streets are inherently evil or that you are woefully incompetent to accomplish such a task. The real issue...it turns out...is that as a child you are small and cannot see oncoming cars, nor they you. As a result, you could be hurt badly....and this is what the whole thing was all about in the first place!!!!

So "what makes sense" can be reexamined and updated and explored....not just in our own lives but on a larger scale in light of our rapidly evolving human culture. It is a shame to discard the history of human wisdom/experience simply because it looks so different from the world we live in today. The basis, groundwork for this wisdom can still be extremely relevant!
 

Mole

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Whatever you perceive as being logical. It's really individual.

Logic is quite independent of the individual.

Computers work on logic - if computers depended on the perception of the individual, they couldn't possibly work. But look, yours is working as is mine, right now.

No, to say logic is a matter of individual perception is the doctrine of Individualism gone mad.

It is the confusion of moralism with logic - and the moralist just want to feel good while logic works.
 

Homini Lupus

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Logic is quite independent of the individual.

Computers work on logic - if computers depended on the perception of the individual, they couldn't possibly work. But look, yours is working as is mine, right now.

No, to say logic is a matter of individual perception is the doctrine of Individualism gone mad.

It is the confusion of moralism with logic - and the moralist just want to feel good while logic works.

You're right, but there's still the problem of perception. While logic is a construct of the mind and can be explained and understood by different individuals without differences, the data processed by logic can differ a lot from individual to individual. No individual can process the whole mass of information generated by the real world in a single hour, even using his entire life. We have to take shortcuts and that creates a difference among different individuals. "3 + 3 = 6" is true for everybody, but people can argue a lot if we have to add 3 or x.
 

Mole

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You're right, but there's still the problem of perception. While logic is a construct of the mind and can be explained and understood by different individuals without differences, the data processed by logic can differ a lot from individual to individual. No individual can process the whole mass of information generated by the real world in a single hour, even using his entire life. We have to take shortcuts and that creates a difference among different individuals. "3 + 3 = 6" is true for everybody, but people can argue a lot if we have to add 3 or x.

And you're right too - perception still remains.

Sure, your computer works the same a mine, but we see them differently.
 

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My trash can faces backwards because since the lid is easy to reach in either direction, it cuts the hassel to place the trash can handel side out for transportation to the street and back...
My trash can makes sense.

It would make sense for someone else to have the can same way others do because it wouldn't stand out. For you, then, efficiency makes sense and is valued more than obeying cultural norms.
 
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