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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Hear a simple answer from Richard Rorty:




    It means that the distinction between what seems to be reality and what reality really is, the thing in itself, is finally given up. To Plato, the realm of ideas was was more real than the world of appearances he lived in. This myth of a truth behind the world, written in mathematical or religious terms, has pervaded western thought ever since. Pragmatists aim to be a little more realistic. Man is not the great representer of that true reality, but just a 'clever animal' that figures out 'better and better ways' to get by.

    This might enlighten you further.
    This is why I like you Nicodemus - you are a philosopher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    This is why I like you Nicodemus - you are a philosopher.
    Coincidentally, it also what the market hates about me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Coincidentally, it also what the market hates about me.
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    Forgoing the idea of intrinsic value, is the way I have understood it. It eliminates an incredibly subjective layer of ethical consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeckledorf View Post
    I get the difference between pragmatic and ideological; what I need is clarification for the excerpt I posted -- especially this: "rejection of the idea that the function of thought is to describe, represent, or mirror reality."
    The highlighted is not so much incorrect as incomplete. It can logically be extended to say: "The function of thought is to describe represent, or mirror reality in such a way as to facilitate change of that reality." It then becomes a question of just how far one takes one's thoughts.

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    And as a pragmatist might say, the important thing is not to understand the world but to change it.
    How can one constructively change a world one does not understand?
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    How can one constructively change a world one does not understand?
    The quote, The important thing is not to understand the world but to change it is a direct quote from Karl Marx in his 11th thesis against Fuerbach.

    So is it pragmatic or simply revolutionary?

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    I fall into the pragmatism camp.

    Though, investigation into the truth in and of itself is also fine. It happens to be most often that the ideas and concepts that are most truthful also happen to be true, so the more thinkers, the merrier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    The quote, The important thing is not to understand the world but to change it is a direct quote from Karl Marx in his 11th thesis against Fuerbach.

    So is it pragmatic or simply revolutionary?
    What is your answer - to your question, and to mine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    What is your answer - to your question, and to mine?
    I am rather more keen on questions than answers. And I prefer ambiguity to clarity. So you see, you are the perfect foil for me.

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