I found something interesting today about the difference between "guilt" cultures and "shame" cultures: Shame society - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I don't have a particular question to ask, but would like to take this thread on an Ne trip with you.
I'm not particularly religious, but recently a friend of mine was talking about how she hated feeling "catholic guilt" and how it was a result of her religious education. I had never thought about that. I guess I have it too, although I have no religious knowledge and did not have a religious education at all. So I wondered if religion can have a deep impact on the culture of a country in general, and whether it has impacted me more that I realize. The wikipedia article on top says that the UK is a shame culture too, although it was exposed to centuries of catholicism. This is interesting, it makes me think of all the british politeness and status-quo. I wonder where it comes from? I also wonder whether their period of colonization in Indie worked so well because Indian society is also a shame culture (or am I wrong?)
Also, recently a Japanese scientist killed himself following the scandal of the fake steam cell research article published on Nature. So I guess this is another example of a "shame" culture. It's a stretch, but I was wondering about the correlations between guilt/shame and Fi/Fe. Guilt = Fi, Shame =Fe?
Also, I really wonder if there can be other types of societies, or only guilt vs shame. Or what about the links between guilt/shame and the enneagram? Guilt = type 4, shame = type 2? I really sense that this is incomplete, there cannot be only two systems for religion and societies in general to control their citizens, to impose morals. But I can't think of others at the moment.
Where would you place, say, America? Guilt? What about muslims? Shame? What about hinduism?
PS. found a cool blog: the transition from shame to guilt in anglo-saxon england (and “core” europe) | hbd* chick
“Shame is the primary means of behavioral control in most societies. If you are seen breaking a social rule, you will feel shame, and this feeling will be reinforced by what people say and do (gossiping, malicious looks, spitting, ostracism, etc.). Shame is much less effective if you break a rule without being seen or if you merely think about breaking a rule.
“Guilt is more important in European societies, particularly those of Northwest European origin. It operates even when you act alone or merely think about breaking a rule. Behavior can thus be regulated in all possible situations with a minimum of surveillance.”