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    Quote Originally Posted by renaiziphonts View Post
    I'm actually not religious. I'm agnostic. Heavily agnostic. I don't place faith in god, but I lack the hubris to denounce that which I can not understand.
    I didn't mean willing to debate your religious/theological beliefs, I meant willing to debate this belief:

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    Ultimately, it doesn't matter if you're in the church of Christ our Superman, or Satan's Sharing Circle, whether you are insane, or autistic, whether you are man, woman, black or white. Everyone is unique and everyone has the same likely hood of doing good or bad. Being of a religion will not change who you are. That I am fairly passionate about, if not dramatic
    Beside's the point but I am not a militant or even positive atheist:



    Quote Originally Posted by renaiziphonts View Post
    Further, in the specific topic, a rush to a deadline may be one of the biggest factors in deciding how a modern day christian will behave. They aren't all in prison, and they aren't all in third world countries, so my narrow set is the largest set.
    You are still arbitrarily picking circumstances that don't impact decisions within assumed circumstances that do in order to prove a gross generalization that circumstances in general don't impact our decisions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    Yes, but my thing is I'm not relgious at all and people have told me I can't possibly be a good person at all, that I have no morals or ethics when I do. what's you're take on those people? the ones that think I'm going to hell because I don't believe.
    They are ignorant Prplz. Ignore them and show them by example that they are wrong. Besides, I've heard that in Hell there is A LOT of cheese, fondue'ish due to the heat. It can't be that bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kullervo View Post
    It says nothing about whether the religion itself is moral.

    I would argue that your "good" Christians and Muslims just ignore the hateful passages in their holy books, which makes them heretics. After all, who could possibly know better than god how his religion should be interpreted? Who are you to ignore some of his word and accept the other? Just another idiot human.
    I could just as well argue that "bad" Christians and Muslims ignore the passages that speak of love and humanity in their holy books, which makes them a dangerous bunch of extremists. Your argument is hereby invalid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morning Star View Post
    I could just as well argue that "bad" Christians and Muslims ignore the passages that speak of love and humanity in their holy books, which makes them a dangerous bunch of extremists. Your argument is hereby invalid.
    @SilentMusings and @Morning Star are both right, ironically. Since religion is man-made, it often has contridictions and flaws. You can make those books say anything you want by choosing verses, then ignoring those that don't fit. There is a strong homophobic presence in the abrahamic religions, for example, but many moderates can select this out. I personally avoid eeligion for the reason it is so interpretive and people fight over it. I also can't square away the events in the book as logical (perhaps you could argue they are metaphore?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpankyMcFly View Post
    They are ignorant Prplz. Ignore them and show them by example that they are wrong. Besides, I've heard that in Hell there is A LOT of cheese, fondue'ish due to the heat. It can't be that bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarlaxle View Post
    Do religious people - particularly belonging to religions of moral dogma - genuinely care about others well being? Or are they simply acting out of their own (Imagined) self interest (Scoring points for their afterlife game)? How can you know? How can they? Are there any situations in which acting for the benefit of others would not be in their own spiritual interest?

    Disclaimer: I don't mean simply in action, but in terms of intent.
    Most definitely. I would at least hope that most people who know me consider me a decent person. I don't know many Christians who do good deeds for the sake of "afterlife points". And that's saying something, I know a LOT of Christians. Personally, I don't do good things to earn points with God. If I believed my standing with him was based on my actions I would be screwed. In fact I'm not even sure I know any Christians who really believe our actions on earth really affect standing in the afterlife... Most I know are in fact more concerned with having pure intentions. But, obviously there are exceptions. I also can't speak for other religions.
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    I just do it for good Karma.

    Edit - Just don't want to be driven by empathy. Empathy empathy stay away.
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    Anyone can be good whatever religion they are
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    What is "good"? How do with define "good"? A religious book may instruct guidelines to say that we are good but ultimately they weren't designed by God but Man, and "Man" is hardly a proponent of anything standard for anything good. And if it was a God, we have no reason to believe God is truly a "good" and "perfect" being when the creations are far from, and never will be such. We merely strive for what is societally proper and we (hopefully) keep methods of self-survival and non-discrimination in mind actually logically important for the species.

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    Can religious people be decent? Religion does a great job with so many things. Anyone who thinks science will replace religion is a moron. Religion's like all narratives are formulated on a set of beliefs and stories surrounding those beliefs. Most of what we learn in school, would also fall into that category.

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