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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    it wasn't a true cult, that's why i said semi-cult. But essentially I was forced into aa because of a rough time in my life. I take full responsibility for my actions at this point that's not the point. I was there 2 years never sure if I was actually an alcoholic things just didn't line up for me so one night I decided to drink (I was going to question it my whole life, if I didn't). I had some beer didn't want to drink for a week after that. And my average now is to go out every other week with people and I don't sit there counting the days til i can drink.I also don't drive, and if I have to I have like 2 beers over 3-4 hours and just chill with the people and watch everyone else act like drunk idiots. THere's even been times where I've started to drink gotten less than half way through decided i didn't really want to and give it away. I'll buy wine and beer to enjoy one in front of a movie or with dinner and lot of times they just sit there for days in plain site. I'm actually happier and more productive overall since I left. And the whole time I was told if I drank I was gonna lose everything that I would be miserable. That wasn't the case in fact the opposite happened. The experience also reminded me why I left organized religion. Also I don't get so drunk I black out or throw up or pass out. Most of those people refuse to talk to me because I left. No skin off my back.
    a.a. may harbor some cult-like elements, but i suspect that your current habit of moderating your intake could have been influenced by your participation there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floki View Post
    a.a. may harbor some cult-like elements, but i suspect that your current habit of moderating your intake could have been influenced by your participation there.
    It does harbor cult-like elements. I tried their way all I found was misery. If it works for the person great, but don't make claims that it's the only way. I've also realized it comes down to personal choice not some lame ass higher power. everyone there is choosing on their own will not to drink and if they idea that some invisible entity is helping them do so, more power to them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    It does harbor cult-like elements. I tried their way all I found was misery. If it works for the person great, but don't make claims that it's the only way. I've also realized it comes down to personal choice not some lame ass higher power. everyone there is choosing on their own will not to drink and if they idea that some invisible entity is helping them do so, more power to them.
    people can obviously recover without a.a., but the central purpose of a.a. is to establish organized support groups so members can methodically transform their addictive impulses into devotion to something besides alcohol. that "thing", as long as it is outside your addiction, is of your choosing, be it science, art, or abstract concepts like freedom. as i understand it, a.a. tolerates pluralistic beliefs so long as its members adhere to the "12 step" procedure. you didn't experience that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floki View Post
    people can obviously recover without a.a., but the central purpose of a.a. is to establish organized support groups so members can methodically transform their addictive impulses into devotion to something besides alcohol. that "thing", as long as it is outside your addiction, is of your choosing, be it science, art, or abstract concepts like freedom. as i understand it, a.a. tolerates pluralistic beliefs so long as its members adhere to the "12 step" procedure. you didn't experience that?
    The fact that I didn't agree with most of the steps. it's not about the beliefs it didn't work for me. this is why I'm so apprehensive about saying anything. I know I wasn't happy. It pisses me off that people try to convince me that it wasn't the case. a lot of the people there are hypocrites.

    I have not once gone up to someone in aa and told them I think the program is crap. I do believe for some people it works. So i really don't appreciate me sharing my experience and why I left being met with criticism and being told I'm wrong. I know what I experienced. it comes across as condescending.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    The fact that I didn't agree with most of the steps. it's not about the beliefs it didn't work for me. this is why I'm so apprehensive about saying anything. I know I wasn't happy. It pisses me off that people try to convince me that it wasn't the case. a lot of the people there are hypocrites.
    i'm sorry to hear that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floki View Post
    i'm sorry to hear that.
    I'm not, it just sucks that I met some really cool people in the rooms but I no longer talk to them, because I decided to leave. And maybe if I continue down this path and they see that me leaving aa =/= death of me. right now me trying to convince people from the rooms that I made the best decision for myself and personal happiness is not high up on a list of things to accomplish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    I'm not, it just sucks that I met some really cool people in the rooms but I no longer talk to them, because I decided to leave. And maybe if I continue down this path and they see that me leaving aa =/= death of me. right now me trying to convince people from the rooms that I made the best decision for myself and personal happiness is not high up on a list of things to accomplish.
    who knows? maybe you'll see them in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Floki View Post
    who knows? maybe you'll see them in the future.
    maybe I have been honest with them though. and that's all i can do at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    The fact that I didn't agree with most of the steps. it's not about the beliefs it didn't work for me. this is why I'm so apprehensive about saying anything. I know I wasn't happy. It pisses me off that people try to convince me that it wasn't the case. a lot of the people there are hypocrites.

    I have not once gone up to someone in aa and told them I think the program is crap. I do believe for some people it works. So i really don't appreciate me sharing my experience and why I left being met with criticism and being told I'm wrong. I know what I experienced. it comes across as condescending.
    There is an alternative to AA that does not require a belief in a supernatural being. And that is SOS Sobriety, click on Addiction - Non 12 Step - Support Group - Index

    So it is not AA or nothing, it is AA or SOS Sobriety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    There is an alternative to AA that does not require a belief in a supernatural being. And that is SOS Sobriety, click on Addiction - Non 12 Step - Support Group - Index

    So it is not AA or nothing, it is AA or SOS Sobriety.
    did you not read my first post about it?

    it wasn't a true cult, that's why i said semi-cult. But essentially I was forced into aa because of a rough time in my life. I take full responsibility for my actions at this point that's not the point. I was there 2 years never sure if I was actually an alcoholic things just didn't line up for me so one night I decided to drink (I was going to question it my whole life, if I didn't). I had some beer didn't want to drink for a week after that. And my average now is to go out every other week with people and I don't sit there counting the days til i can drink.I also don't drive, and if I have to I have like 2 beers over 3-4 hours and just chill with the people and watch everyone else act like drunk idiots. THere's even been times where I've started to drink gotten less than half way through decided i didn't really want to and give it away. I'll buy wine and beer to enjoy one in front of a movie or with dinner and lot of times they just sit there for days in plain site. I'm actually happier and more productive overall since I left. And the whole time I was told if I drank I was gonna lose everything that I would be miserable. That wasn't the case in fact the opposite happened. The experience also reminded me why I left organized religion. Also I don't get so drunk I black out or throw up or pass out. Most of those people refuse to talk to me because I left. No skin off my back.
    In no likes experiment.

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