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    Christianity teaches that Adam and Eve committed Original Sin and in order to save us God the Father sent his Son, Jesus, as a scapegoat for Original Sin.

    This is hard to believe as we now know there was no Adam and Eve and so no Original Sin and so no need for a scapegoat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Polaris View Post
    We know that the universe is billions of years old, not 6,500.
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    Is christianity something like a football team that you favor because it wins most of the time and it is popular to favor that team?

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    Or because one's family has loong been a supporter of that team?

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    The bible says the written word is dead: you will not find salvation in the scriptures; only when those words come to life by the one true gospel then will you understand.


    If you read the bible to be factually inaccurate, then I propose you search for a gospel who understands the scripture in a way that is in line with your understanding of what is factually true; or what you are prepared to consider to be factually true... I concede that if you are not prepared to ever believe that there lived a man known as Jesus Christ, then that will pretty much be a permanent block.

    But evolution and the age of the earth is not a problem for my Gospel; of course we would consider one quite strange if you believed the earth is very young and that evolution is a lie; but I can't imagine what natural evidence you could have for such strange beliefs.

    Furthermore, if your only prepared to consider a Christianity that takes Genesis Chapter 1 to be an account of the natural creation of the earth; I'm not unsettled to leave you in the false-security afforded by the fields of straw-men that are required to preserve your comfort. I would just have you know, there are many false doctrines out there:

    1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
    1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
    1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
    1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
    1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
    1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.


    Genesis chapter 1 is not trying to describe physical creation, its describing spiritual creation: how the spirit of God created the mind from a brain (from when the earth was void and without form).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zangetshumody View Post
    if you are not prepared to ever believe that there lived a man known as Jesus Christ
    There was no one born in Bethlehem known as Jesus Christ.

    It is likely there was a Judaic rabbi called Jesus. But 'Christ' and Christology was a later invention of Christians and never accepted by Judaism.

    So it is ridiculous to say there lived a man called Jesus Christ. No such man of that name ever existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    There was no one born in Bethlehem known as Jesus Christ.

    It is likely there was a Judaic rabbi called Jesus. But 'Christ' and Christology was a later invention of Christians and never accepted by Judaism.

    So it is ridiculous to say there lived a man called Jesus Christ. No such man of that name ever existed.
    I see a claim being made; and I find it unconvincing. Even if your first premise were true, it doesn't support your grand sweeping conclusion.

    And regarding your first premise: do you know what the scriptures say about where Jesus was reared? There are people in my country whose birth's aren't officially reordered until a year after the birth, however you believe the bureaucracy in Bethlehem is infallible to the point it must of been able to capture events regarding even it's temporary resident's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zangetshumody View Post
    I see a claim being made; and I find it unconvincing. Even if your first premise were true, it doesn't support your grand sweeping conclusion.

    And regarding your first premise: do you know what the scriptures say about where Jesus was reared? There are people in my country whose birth's aren't officially reordered until a year after the birth, however you believe the bureaucracy in Bethlehem is infallible to the point it must of been able to capture events regarding even it's temporary resident's?
    Good heavens, surely your not suggesting that 'Christ' is a surname and 'Jesus' is first name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Good heavens, surely your not suggesting that 'Christ' is a surname and 'Jesus' is first name?
    No I'm not.

    Christ is not a surname.

    They did not use family/surname's like we do now.

    That seems like quite the red herring to throw into the works, that obscures and side steps the issue raised against the formulation for your grand sweeping statement.

    Luk_1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

    "shall be called"; does not mean he had the surname Christ since birth, but that he shall be known as the Christ, and so tacitly that he would be addressed as such, at least to some extent.

    'How you are known' is what a name is. As such, names can change, for example when you meet someone and they introduce themselves to you with just their first name, and then you later learn of their middle and surname, how you [then] know that person is different by the extension of how they are known.

    The word Christ is also part of a title that holds a larger identity than can't just [exclusively] be applied to a particular individual found in scriptures, it in a sense, a word related integrally to the truth of the Gospel, but that does not subtract from the fact it was applied to the child naturally born to Joseph and Mary in Bethlehem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    Is christianity something like a football team that you favor because it wins most of the time and it is popular to favor that team?
    This is only one of the reasons people become christian. Its not a very good one but it is one of them.

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