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    Quote Originally Posted by yeghor View Post
    God is a product of wishful thinking.
    Wrong; the statement above is oversimplified.
    God is not a product of wishful thinking if the wishful thoughts are aligned with hateful, harmful deeds.
    And that is because "God is Love."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    Wrong; the statement above is oversimplified.
    God is not a product of wishful thinking if the wishful thoughts are aligned with hateful, harmful deeds.
    And that is because "God is Love."
    Well what is pleasing to imagine isn't always love.

    God is hatred, destruction, stupidity and shockingly insecure.

    And although stupidity and insecurity are and never were admired - as @senza tema reminded me on ventrilo - love tolerence and peace weren't always what was admired or expected from god.

    Also in this same god hatred vengence power and descruction was admired by its followers. So you see hatred is god, wishful thinking isn't always about love and wishful thinking does have vengence fear and hatred in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riva View Post
    Well what is pleasing to imagine isn't always love.

    God is hatred, destruction, stupidity and shockingly insecure.

    And although stupidity and insecurity are and never were admired - as @senza tema reminded me on ventrilo - love tolerence and peace weren't always what was admired or expected from god.

    Also in this same god hatred vengence power and descruction was admired by its followers. So you see hatred is god, wishful thinking isn't always about love and wishful thinking does have vengence fear and hatred in it.
    I'm afraid your misunderstanding of God's covenant with mankind under the Old Testament vs. the New Testament is preventing you from seeing the truth.
    Also, do not forget that God's ways and means within, among and through people have always been, and will forever be confused for what they really are by people - because people are imperfect, and only capable of seeing to the extent of their own mortality, and often their own motivations and biases.
    God's work was documented in the Torah, The Old Testament, and The Koran - None of them speak to His power, grace and divinity as a being of love; that aspect of God is primarily known through the documented teachings through the life of Christ in The New Testament.
    Does this mean that only Christians have a monopoly on understanding what it means to believe in the one true God, a being of great love?
    No way.
    In my opinion. God is also perfectly integrated within all science - contrary to the beliefs of so many. He doesn't need to differentiate between faith and laws of the universe as we know it.
    That's my take.



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    By their fruits shall ye know them. And we discovered the fruits the other day.

    The bodies of 800, yes 800, children were dumped into a septic tank by the Bon Secours nuns in Tuam, Ireland.

    The Judicial Enquiry into child abuse in Ireland revealed the complicity of the Irish State and the Roman Catholic Church in organised child abuse, but no one expected a whole septic tank full of the bodies of 800 children.

    To see the video click on - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-e8d9JWGUM

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    [QUOTE=Mole]<A horrid example of the depravity mankind is capable of, but not at all defacto confirmation that these acts reflect the will of God.>[QUOTE]

    Mole, I'll be the last person to argue with you that organized religion (of any form) has likely done more harm than good at many times during human history.

    However, the misdirected, nefarious deeds of any congregation do not speak for God, or villify Him. As human beings, we have an obligation to each other to love one another as our maker loves us all. And that is exactly why when treacherous, murderous fiends begin to do their dirty work against any of our brothers and sisters, we must rise to protect the weak from the tyranny of evil men - whether they wear the robes of priests, the suits of executives, or the trappings of common thugs.

    Ordinary Chinese citizens are not to blame for Tienimen Square.
    Everyday Germans are not the root cause of The Third Reich.
    And on the flip side, God is not responsible for The Spanish Inqisition, Worldwide Jihad, or the Slaughter of 800 Children in Ireland.
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    All I have to say to the OP of this thread is this: expecting to understand or have proof of God is, at least in part, hilariously ridiculous.

    For those who do not necessarily subscribe to a belief in God, let's do some theorizing. If God really is the omnipotent, all-knowing, supremely intelligent and creative being that he is thought by some to be, then how in the heck would we as his handiwork have the capacity to understand him or his ways? It's expecting the shoe, or the dress or the cake to understand the complexities of it's human maker.

    I think the humbling truth of this is actually the largest reason for disbelief in God, because it's simply offensive to the egos of intellectual narcissists and uncomfortable to control freaks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    Ordinary Chinese citizens are not to blame for Tienimen Square.
    Everyday Germans are not the root cause of The Third Reich.
    And on the flip side, God is not responsible for The Spanish Inqisition, Worldwide Jihad, or the Slaughter of 800 Children in Ireland.
    C'mon, we have reliable eyewitness evidence that they laughed and enjoyed killing their fellow citizens in Tienamen Square.

    And we know everyday Germans enthusiastically supported the killing and the Third Reich.

    The Spanish Inquisition would not have been possible if God had not shown the way by creating Hell.

    And Jihad is mandated in the Koran by Allah as a religious duty of muslims.

    And God himself led the way with Christian child abuse by ordering Abraham to tie up his son and stand over him with a butchers knife ready to cut him up alive.

    And everyday Americans support the gun culture leading to continuing gun massacres of American citizens.

    And everyday members of Typology Central revere the Fuhrer loving Carl Jung, and support the reifying mbti.

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    @OptoGypsy

    God is when your drill instructor tells you you're lying to yourself, and you're being a coward, and after the pain has passed, you feel enormous respect for him bringing that to your attention, and you feel stronger as a result.

    God is when a funeral reception is the most beautiful social experience you've had.

    God is what you experience when you go to a dance hall expecting to meet hot women your age, but instead only meet a bunch of old people... yet letting go of your judgement and dancing with the joyful and non-judgemental old folks, is the most enjoyable experience you've had in a long time.

    God is when your wife meditates each morning on how she can better please you, and you do the same for her.

    God is when, after being fired from every job, you're given no other option but to become an entrepreneur... and you realize you were built for this.

    God is when you feel you have no purpose in your life, and you ask the stars, "why am I here?" and your life flashes before your eyes and you are given the answer.

    God is when you cry at night because everyone but you is giving up hope.

    God is the feeling that no matter how crummy things get, for some reason you feel things are only beginning.

    God is when an adult is like a child.

    God is when children become your role model.

    God is the justice that cannot avoid annihilating the injustice.

    God is the fire that forges the steel, and you are to be his perfect sword.

    God is the Kharma.

    God is the being that is so powerful and just that he requires the sacrifice of an innocent lamb so that he may speak to his imperfect children without destroying them.

    God speaks through those who know him, to those who wish they could see him.

    God can only be experienced, not defined, and he only communicates with those whose hearts are open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Flame View Post
    God is when your drill instructor tells you you're lying to yourself, and you're being a coward, and after the pain has passed, you feel enormous respect for him bringing that to your attention, and you feel stronger as a result.
    This is a description of brain washing by someone who has been successfully brainwashed.

    Brainwashing is an insult and injury to human dignity. Brainwashing is anti-Western. Brainwashing is against the Enlightenment values of freedom and equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    This is a description of brain washing by someone who has been successfully brainwashed.

    Brainwashing is an insult and injury to human dignity. Brainwashing is anti-Western. Brainwashing is against the Enlightenment values of freedom and equality.
    fine. lets replace drill instructor with personal trainer.

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