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    What is the nature of nature?
    moving towards greater entropy with or without anti-entropic systems called life
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    moving towards greater entropy with or without anti-entropic systems called life
    Do you believe in the theories of evolution?

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    Existence is existence and natural is natural, that's why they're different words.

    Natural describes a subset of existence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown
    Do you believe in the theories of evolution?
    Yes, it's a Si-dom theory. Observe common DNA sequences from the lowest yeast cell to the highest mammal. Observe that the amount of overlap increases as we move up from the simple to the complex and from the different to the similar. The theory is almost a no-brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    Yes, it's a Si-dom theory. Observe common DNA sequences from the lowest yeast cell to the highest mammal. Observe that the amount of overlap increases as we move up from the simple to the complex and from the different to the similar. The theory is almost a no-brainer.
    I just never saw life as anti-entropic. I saw (see) it as amplifications of entropy, like a ravaging fire.

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    Nature - the whole system of the existence, arrangement, forces, and events of all that is physical.


    ^ That's my definition. And going by that. Yes.

    If you have another definition...then maybe not.
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    Natural means humans have no or very limited control over it.
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    No, "natural" can mean a lot of things, but if it just means "existing", it's a word that has lost its use to convey anything at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tellenbach View Post
    Natural diamonds vs synthetic or man-made diamonds. One exists in nature; the other is brought into existence by some intelligence. A human turd is considered natural because there's no intelligence behind its creation despite coming from an intelligent being. Modern corn is unnatural because it's created through artificial selection.
    I really think there's something about our vision of what is natural or not which is rooted in Descartes philosophy and the idea that humans are "masters and possessors of nature", so that we're beings separated from nature and able to have an effect on it through our intelligence (with a divine origin). Therefore, artefacts produced by humans are viewed as artifical (vs natural).

    But if we see it as a continuum, this dichotomy between natural and unnatural becomes useless (or is still only used to support ethical debates actually).

    And as it was said, in a pantheist view, everything that could exist is natural (but, ok, this argument was also advanced by Sade lol).

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    Default The Spoken, the Literate, and the Electronic Cultures

    We learn to speak our language naturally, at home at our mother's knee.

    And we learn to read and write unnaturally, compelled by State law to leave home and attend a special institution.

    But everything comes around again, and we learn to use the telephone, the radio, the television and the computer naturally at home.

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