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    depends on how ethically shitty the culture is [touchy subject;won't elaborate]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Such Irony View Post
    70,000,000. It's less people. A life is a life regardless of culture. Everyone's life has inherently equal intrinsic value.
    Really?

    A murdering child rapist has an equal intrinsic value to a person who devotes their life to helping other people?

    Do you really believe this?

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    What if it was a really shitty culture, like the Huns (no offence to any Huns).
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    Quote Originally Posted by unsung View Post
    If the culture was detrimental, the question would have been a no brainer. Which is why the reasons for saving that culture are way more interesting to speculate about.

    That's essentially what I'm wondering. What could they possible have that's worth 30 million lives and no other culture could offer?
    I'll have to give this question the thought that it's worthy of.

    But for now, I'll say that I'm a huge fan of those that have made significant strides in opening us up on the scientific front. The stuff that helps us make sense of and understand the universe is key to improving it for all involved. If a culture creates an environment that facilitates that sort of thinking, questioning, wonderment, curiosity, experimentation, and discovery, then it ought to be allowed to stick around.

    Not to use a tally of lives as a measure of worth--but those cultures would easily pave the way for methods that, over time, would prevent 30 million deaths.

    But many different cultures can and have facilitated that sort of discovery. So if we're asking what would uniquely qualify a culture to stick around, I don't have a ready answer.

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    forget choices, let's kill them both. problem solved
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    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Then why do we prioritize people for organ donation, or still execute criminals in some countries?
    What about the life of someone who invents a cure for X or Z and the life of a serial child molestor?

    It's easy to say 'they are all intrinsincly bla bla.." however truth is noone actually applies this rule to themselves. Would you give your life to save two murderers?
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    Genocide is the worst crime against humanity.

    Naturally narcissists think the murder of individuals ranks with genocide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by five sounds View Post
    Conflicted.

    Ok I'm not into killing people, but I'm suspending that for the sake of pondering this.

    I'm gonna say 70,000,000 (shit that's so many people!) is preferred. As much as I believe in the preservation and protection of cultures, 30,000 human lives trumps it.

    I have faith in the people who remain to keep humanity and all the life that breeds a living, growing culture to keep evolving into new cultures and languages, and valuing old cultures over new ones is more nostalgic than anything.
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    Math was not your strong suit in school, I take it? /INTJ math-Nazi>

    100,000,000
    - 70,000,000
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    30,000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    So ethnic cleansing or purge?

    This seems reminiscent of who was worse, Hitler or Stalin.
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    Answer: Mao, or on a per capita basis, Pol Pot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    Then why do we prioritize people for organ donation, or still execute criminals in some countries?
    What about the life of someone who invents a cure for X or Z and the life of a serial child molestor?

    It's easy to say 'they are all intrinsincly bla bla.." however truth is noone actually applies this rule to themselves. Would you give your life to save two murderers?
    @EcK -- funny question to have asked right before Good Friday.
    'specially considering your various .sig lines.
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