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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    It depends on your ethical approach.

    • Utilitarian/Consequentialist? Then we're gonna try to max the positive outcome for the most people.
    • Deontological? Then typically neither answer is ethical. They're both crimes and should not be indulged in.
    • Virtue ethics? Then we focus on how the act of killing more people versus eradicating an entire culture properly reflects who we are or might change us to become less than who we are.


    Personally, I'm more postmodern ethically in that I need to know context. On the surface, it looks better to eradicate a particular culture and save 30 million random lives; on the other hand, depending on what benefits from that culture could be accrued by a BILLION people, maybe it would be better in the long run to sacrifice 30 million in order to benefit a billion. Depending on the specifics, consequential ethics would try to maximize [something] resulting in the greatest good.

    Ironically, these kinds of decisions are made all the time. Examine transportation, for example. It is projected that, in the United States, 3.5 million people have died from 1899 - 2012 in traffic accidents. Yet we would say it was worth it for those 3.5 million people to die, considering the benefits that all of us survivors have accrued.

    Also look at the interesting dilemma we've discussed on this forum before -- a train is out of control, and you are stuck with it either hitting five people in its way or you can divert it and kill one (usually cast as a relative or child). Many people will try to maximize the saving of human life by diverting the train to kill one person and save the five. YET.... let's say we have one healthy human being and five people who need organ transplants to avoid death; almost no one will suggest we should kill the healthy human being to harvest his organs to save the other five. It's interesting to see how situation and context can change our response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
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    Action carries more weight than inaction.
    Yeah, that's a huge part of how people tend to make ethical decisions, in general. At least deep down, it feels like one is less responsible overall for the outcome if he doesn't intervene.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garbage View Post
    It's about their contribution, really. I can't pinpoint any particular culture that exists today that I'd outright eradicate. Some hypothetical (and maybe some historical) cultures, sure.

    The decision for me would be less about whether it's unique, valuable, and treasurable; but about whether or not it's detrimental. Seems like two sides of the same coin, but how it's couched matters. A culture would have to be.. well.. uniquely detrimental. "Depends on the culture" leaves room for an approach that's not just about an action's immediate consequences.
    If the culture was detrimental, the question would have been a no brainer. Which is why the reasons for saving that culture are way more interesting to speculate about.

    That's essentially what I'm wondering. What could they possible have that's worth 30 million lives and no other culture could offer?

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    Ummm, it'd depend on which population I'd be in.
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    If the culture is that awesome Amazonian tribe that never saw modern stuff. 100blahblah.

    If that culture is extremist cult of some sort. 70blahblah.
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    So ethnic cleansing or purge?

    This seems reminiscent of who was worse, Hitler or Stalin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    is it worse to kill 100,000,000 people out of a population of 10 billion or kill 70,000,000 but also by doing so killing off a whole culture

    What do you think? And why
    70,000,000. It's less people. A life is a life regardless of culture. Everyone's life has inherently equal intrinsic value.
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    This wouldn't have anything to do with me, now would it?

    Killing people is wrong, period.

    But, to answer your question..
    Culture is less important than people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Such Irony View Post
    70,000,000. It's less people. A life is a life regardless of culture. Everyone's life has inherently equal intrinsic value.
    Then why do we prioritize people for organ donation, or still execute criminals in some countries?
    What about the life of someone who invents a cure for X or Z and the life of a serial child molestor?

    It's easy to say 'they are all intrinsincly bla bla.." however truth is noone actually applies this rule to themselves. Would you give your life to save two murderers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xisnotx View Post
    This wouldn't have anything to do with me, now would it?

    Killing people is wrong, period.

    But, to answer your question..
    Culture is less important than people.
    Nah, I could care less about you. I don't know you.
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