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    If humans created a virus that could transform its victims into the mindless man eaters portrayed in popular fiction, would it be a sin to kill them. Would we violate God's commandment of "thou shall not kill"?

    Technically they are still humans, they are sick and in need of help but then again this would also raise questions like what makes us human, is it because we possess consciousness, and opposable thumbs? Then what makes a zombie inhuman? Perhaps they are in a trance state or an empty vessel like a comatose victim? Would God toss us in the hellfire for "murdering" our fellow man? Surely we would need a justifiable reason to pull the trigger. So tell me what are your thoughts on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avalon View Post
    If humans created a virus that could transform its victims into the mindless man eaters portrayed in popular fiction, would it be a sin to kill them. Would we violate God's commandment of "thou shall not kill"?

    Technically they are still humans, they are sick and in need of help but then again this would also raise questions like what makes us human, is it because we possess consciousness, and opposable thumbs? Then what makes a zombie inhuman? Perhaps they are in a trance state or an empty vessel like a comatose victim? Would God toss us in the hellfire for "murdering" our fellow man? Surely we would need a justifiable reason to pull the trigger. So tell me what are your thoughts on this.
    In popular fiction (or at least "Walking Dead"), they're already dead. That's why they are called the walking dead. So I don't think it'd be a problem. You can't murder someone who isn't alive. [Reference Season 1, Episode 6, for a brain-scan of the undead and how only their reptilian stem is functioning, while the frontal lobes no longer function.]

    Plus, if they're trying to kill you and your family, then I guess it comes down to "self-defense." Do you accept war as a regrettable but unavoidable aspect of life? If you aren't a pacifist who would allow bad people kill you and the people you love because you think violence is wrong, then I think the same logic would extend to defending yourself against zombies who are planning to rip you to shreds and eat you while you're still alive.

    I think one's humanity comes into play in terms of "not enjoying it." if you are seeking things out to kill and enjoy it, that's not a great sign; but if you are defending yourself and putting the dead to rest, then sure.
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    I think that it would be more of a sin to create this virus in the first place and reduce humans beings to these mindless creatures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    In popular fiction (or at least "Walking Dead"), they're already dead. That's why they are called the walking dead. So I don't think it'd be a problem. You can't murder someone who isn't alive.

    Plus, if they're trying to kill you and your family, then I guess it comes down to "self-defense." Do you accept war as a regrettable but unavoidable aspect of life? If you aren't a pacifist who would allow bad people kill you and the people you love because you think violence is wrong, then I think the same logic would extend to defending yourself against zombies who are planning to rip you to shreds and eat you while you're still alive.

    I think one's humanity comes into play in terms of "not enjoying it." if you are seeking things out to kill and enjoy it, that's not a great sign; but if you are defending yourself and putting the dead to rest, then sure.
    If they existed I'd definitely defend myself but suppose they are not reanimated corpses but simply infected, perhaps I'd have trouble pulling the trigger then for I fear I might destroy a life that could be redeemed.
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    I would tend to agree with Jenny. If anyone attacks you then it isn't a sin to defend yourself. I am fairly sure God agrees with me. Besides that God would think zombies were an abomination and would most likely want us to smite them down.

    Quote Originally Posted by Avalon View Post
    If they existed I'd definitely defend myself but suppose they are not reanimated corpses but simply infected, perhaps I'd have trouble pulling the trigger then for I fear I might destroy a life that could be redeemed.
    If this were so then you and others like you would die early on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avalon View Post
    If they existed I'd definitely defend myself but suppose they are not reanimated corpses but simply infected, perhaps I'd have trouble pulling the trigger then for I fear I might destroy a life that could be redeemed.
    I'm not sure what the question is.

    if they are still people, then save them if you can.
    If they are reanimated corpses, then don't.

    But i think you'd have to be practical about it, or you'd be like the person who keeps a family member on life support for twenty years after brain death, because they were unable to let go.

    if I were a zombie without any sentience, I'd be fine with someone killing me.

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    If this were so then you and others like you would die early on.
    That's definitely one way to thin out the population.
    Nature does the work all on its own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I'm not sure what the question is.

    if they are still people, then save them if you can.
    If they are reanimated corpses, then don't.

    But i think you'd have to be practical about it, or you'd be like the person who keeps a family member on life support for twenty years after brain death, because they were unable to let go.

    if I were a zombie without any sentience, I'd be fine with someone killing me.



    That's definitely one way to thin out the population.
    Nature does the work all on its own.
    I'll use resident evil extinction as an example, for in the movie a scientist managed to rehabilitate a few zombies albeit their mindless and usually high aggression towards their trainers. I believe if the infected types, and not the reanimated corpse kind, still possess part of their humanity even though it's being inhibited by the infection. The closest thing to a zombie virus is rabies, its victims act very similar. I doubt if a man kill a person suffering from rabies because he was attacked, and he taught it was a zombie, surely he would be charged for manslaughter. I believe the same could be said about a infected zombie, it's still human and could be rehabilitated. But I cannot fathom the mind of God so I cannot say a human would be liable to receive damnation for killing an infected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avalon View Post
    I'll use resident evil extinction as an example, for in the movie a scientist managed to rehabilitate a few zombies albeit their mindless and usually high aggression towards their trainers. I believe if the infected types, and not the reanimated corpse kind, still possess part of their humanity even though it's being inhibited by the infection. The closest thing to a zombie virus is rabies, its victims act very similar. I doubt if a man kill a person suffering from rabies because he was attacked, and he taught it was a zombie, surely he would be charged for manslaughter. I believe the same could be said about a infected zombie, it's still human and could be rehabilitated. But I cannot fathom the mind of God so I cannot say a human would be liable to receive damnation for killing an infected.
    ^^ IN that case, I would do what you felt you needed to do and live with the results. Can't God see your heart and know your motivations and be able to judge you accordingly? There is no blanket rule.

    If your child is being threatened by a zombie, and you are not even SURE whether it's human, and you'd shoot a human who was threatening to dismember and kill your child and who you knew would NEVER stop until he was dead, then shoot the zombie as well.

    If you are so unsure morally of it to the degree you would let a zombie kill and eat your child and then kill and eat you, then obviously your distrust of violence is stronger than your desire to survive and/or protect those you love, so you can let yourself die and be happy that God approves of your choice even if you're dead. Obviously God transcends death in that sense.

    But there is no way we can arrive at a "certain" blanket answer as to whether it's "okay" to kill zombies. We just don't have that knowledge. You will live and die based on your convictions, not on some verifiable answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    ^^ IN that case, I would do what you felt you needed to do and live with the results. Can't God see your heart and know your motivations and be able to judge you accordingly? There is no blanket rule.

    If your child is being threatened by a zombie, and you are not even SURE whether it's human, and you'd shoot a human who was threatening to dismember and kill your child and who you knew would NEVER stop until he was dead, then shoot the zombie as well.

    If you are so unsure morally of it to the degree you would let a zombie kill and eat your child and then kill and eat you, then obviously your distrust of violence is stronger than your desire to survive and/or protect those you love, so you can let yourself die and be happy that God approves of your choice even if you're dead. Obviously God transcends death in that sense.

    But there is no way we can arrive at a "certain" blanket answer as to whether it's "okay" to kill zombies. We just don't have that knowledge. You will live and die based on your convictions, not on some verifiable answer.
    I guess your right Jennie, in that case I'll load my shotgun for I'm ready for world war z.
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