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Thread: The Morality of Deathbed Conversions

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    Moral courage requires making moral choices and sticking to them in the face of opposition.

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    And the most important time for moral courage is our death bed.

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    Pretty sure that violates some sort of right out there. I'd come back as a ghost and take a shit on the bed of whoever "decided" to "convert" me without my consent. Two shits and some piss if it's a religion I strongly disagree with.
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    David Kessler's "Visions,Trips, and Crowded Rooms" (2011) is a collection of death-bed stories that involve encounters with the other side. Evidently, it's not at all unusual for the dying to have visions and even conversations with departed love ones. Is the experience real or just some physiological quirk? The OP also mentioned a moment of lucidity during the dying process; this too, is very common.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forever_Jung View Post
    Short story: If an atheist is babbling incoherently on their deathbed, is it ethical to coerce a deathbed conversion out of them? Does it even "count"?
    It's not up to humans to decide whether or not it "counts".

    Trying to convert people on their deathbeds is disrespectful and selfish. It's a final slap in the face to do this sort of thing to an atheist. The people doing this are doing it for themselves. They might justify it any number of ways, but the true motivation is selfishness. I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure this doesn't happen to me. And if I'm ever on a deathbed and someone tries to convert me, I'll find the strength to get up kick their ass.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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