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    Quote Originally Posted by superunknown View Post
    I see lots of hydrogen and oxygen there too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    Actually you're less aware.
    You are really in no position to gauge that.

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    The forest would still exist but it still requires an observer.
    What for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    Actually you're less aware.



    The forest would still exist but it still requires an observer.
    By that logic a house wouldnt grow mold unless you watched it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    I see lots of hydrogen and oxygen there too.
    Are you playing devils advocate?

    Those words were created sometime recently. What word would you use if you wanted to dezcribe the substance humans were formed from if you were alive thousands of years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    You are really in no position to gauge that.
    How so?
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    What for?
    For it to exist in our minds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Flame View Post
    Are you playing devils advocate?

    Those words were created sometime recently. What word would you use if you wanted to dezcribe the substance humans were formed from if you were alive thousands of years ago?
    So you're saying the bible was right? simply because it was stated thousands of years ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    So you're saying the bible was right? simply because it was stated thousands of years ago?
    Partially.

    Also keep in mind if the bible were to say "humans were formed with carbon hydrogen nitrogen oxygen etc" then it would completely remove credibility from the bible having all of the answers. Otherwise it would have to have 1trillion more bible verses talking about all the elements,all the types of frogs, all the planets in the universe, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Flame View Post
    By that logic a house wouldnt grow mold unless you watched it.
    Does existence produce our minds or do our minds produce existence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    How so?
    You cannot see into my mind, nor, apparently, understand the nuances of what I say. I know because they are my thoughts and my words.

    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    For it to exist in our minds.
    True, but that has never been in question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jixmixfix View Post
    Does existence produce our minds or do our minds produce existence?
    Atheists believe both happens simultaneously.

    Christians believe "it" simply is.

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