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    Quote Originally Posted by Werebudgie View Post
    MBTI has helped in my relationship with my partner in very real ways.
    Because something is helpful doesn't make it true.

    Of course we would like it to be true: we want our wish to be fulfilled.

    Wish fulfillment fills our fantasies.

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    Shocking (not) - when my lived experience flies in the face of people's biases and theoretical filters, one way to reduce the cognitive dissonance is to assume I'm the one who doesn't see clearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Werebudgie View Post
    Shocking (not) - when my lived experience flies in the face of people's biases and theoretical filters, one way to reduce the cognitive dissonance is to assume I'm the one who doesn't see clearly.
    We know our senses deceive us; we know propaganda deceives us; we know that ideology deceives us; we know institutions deceive us. That is why we developed the scientific method.

    And if we were to apply the scientific method to mbti there would be thousands of random, double blind experiments over last 75 years. But there are none, not one.

    Why is this?

    This is because if the scientific method were applied to mbti, it would show that mbti deceives us.

    But most of all it would show we want to be deceived.

    And those who want to be deceived have no self respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Thanks for sharing your most interesting worldview. That last line is particularly fascinating.

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    I have to put up with everyone who doesn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Werebudgie View Post
    Thanks for sharing your most interesting worldview. That last line is particularly fascinating.
    Some associate Mole with an interesting weltanschauung, others more modestly with a weltbild, and by those in the know, with an interesting worldview.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    It's impossible to compartmentalize 7 billion people into 16 compartments.
    I have never understood this "can't put people in boxes" thing.

    Watch me put everyone in one box: every one of those 7 billion people is a human. Not only was that not impossible, it was easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    It's good that you found some positive use for the theory, but your examples only highlight my point that there is no real evidence beyond the heuristic that supports this idea.
    If all it is is a damn good heuristic that can make people think more clearly about how other people think, I'm totally ok with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ancalagon View Post
    If all it is is a damn good heuristic that can make people think more clearly about how other people think, I'm totally ok with that.
    I suppose it can be seen that way, personally I've seen as much harm as good and an encouragement to pre-judge even more heavily in people who were already bad enough to begin with.

    But that's just personally.

    I do think it was designed as a way to get people to think more and be more considerate when looking at others and their perspectives. In that way it can be quite useful. I just don't think the rigid application of type can be all that healthy.
    'One of (Lucas) Cranach's masterpieces, discussed by (Joseph) Koerner, is in it's self-referentiality the perfect expression of left-hemisphere emptiness and a precursor of post-modernism. There is no longer anything to point to beyond, nothing Other, so it points pointlessly to itself.' - Iain McGilChrist

    Suppose a tree fell down, Pooh, when we were underneath it?"
    "Suppose it didn't," said Pooh, after careful thought.
    Piglet was comforted by this.
    - A.A. Milne.

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    Understanding mbti well doesn't make it true.

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