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    Default Do you adhere to the value of 'harm none'?

    I'm curious to see how universal this value is and what it means to people from different backgrounds and types. So do you adhere to it? Why or why not? And what does it encompass for you? How important is it to you? What drives it?

    Oh and it would be interesting to state your type first, and then answer, I think.


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    I live and breathe this. Suffering is something I cannot abide to see and do nothing about - be it another human being, or any other living being. I don't watch the news for a reason and I'm part of several charities to do what I can. If I'm aware that I might've hurt someone - however minor - I feel immensely guilty, even if a part of me rebels and tells me 'they had it coming'. I feel everyone has the right to be themselves and not be punished or taken advantage of it or be exploited by others for it - that includes animals and more. Free choice and the pain of having that taken already makes me rage, however small. On the other end of the scale is deliberate torture of another living being - something that I just cannot fathom.
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    I see more in terms of 'minimize harm', in a chaotic neutral fashion.

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    Yes and no.

    Yes, in that I get extremely angry when I see injustice -- violence against the weak, exploitation. If someone hurts children or animals, they will suffer my wrath.

    But...

    No, in that for me this "no harm" rule isn't universal. Some people just don't deserve to live -- and if they are bad people, I have no qualms with 'harming' them, which for me means something like 'remove them from society by whatever means'. I know in the grand scheme of things, who are we to judge? In a perfect world we will be able to heal everything with love and patience, but the world is not perfect, and it will be better off without some people. Of course, if there's a practical way to stop them from hurting other people and hopefully reform them, I will fully support that. But if there's the choice of 'harming' one bad person to save innocent people, I don't have any problems with that (if it IS really for the greater good), like if I can snipe someone who is about to detonate a bomb that will blow up a city I will do it in a blink.

    I noticed that my INFP seems to hold "no harm under any circumstances" as an ideal more than I do. He was a bit taken aback when I once said that I had no problems killing people who are going to kill people I love -- he thought it was a bit extreme. But when it comes to it, I will get my hands dirty. I'll accept the consequences. My ISFJ mom is also like this -- in that she says she can kill people if they are really bad people. It's not about exacting punishment. It's not revenge. It's just so that they will not continue to hurt people.

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    I adhere to the Do-what-I-think-is-right principle, which is a quasi-casuist approach to morality. My inner book of rules is too complex and convoluted to be synthesized into a handful of simple principles. Nevertheless, it is this book that I follow. But since it is always with me, and since I trust my ability to properly grasp a situation posing a moral decision, I also trust that I can make the right decision in a rather ad-hoc fashion.

    Obviously, there are situations in which harming others is justified.

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    Sometimes harm is inevitable or even necessary. I try to minimize it, but I won't let it get in the way of doing the right thing. Myself included. People get hurt in life. If trying to prevent that were my main goal, I'd be spinning my wheels and not doing anything for myself or with any other purpose.
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    I fear i may have caused a more polarising response than I intended by sharing my own pov right off the bat.

    I really did mean to just do a data intake of what people consider 'harm none' and what value they adhere to the principle, and for my own contribution to be just that... a data point and a contribution.
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    I can't say I live this at all.

    I do try to minimize the amount of harm I do.. but I am selfish, and entitled, and a sucker for convenience. I do a lot of unnecessary harm for these principles alone.

    Yet, I do believe it has a strong purpose and indication in society.. I subscribe to it, and I think of the principle often. I use it to weigh a lot of my decisions in dealing with others in respect to myself.. "Is it hurting anyone, or me, that they're doing this? No? .. Meh.. it's fine then."

    I struggle with this more in the sense of people harming themselves--my definition of what harm is includes the self, and what is harmful and helpful is different to me than to others.. What I think is unhealthy for someone is perfectly normal sounding to another.
    (To give a small example.. I find it extremely unhealthy and creepy that someone would consider others, even close people, "objects" and tools to get jobs done.. versus having a deeper connection to someone in comparison to a hammer or swiss army knife. Yet, another forum member immediately came to the defense. 'No, Kyu, this is perfectly normal for some, and not at all creepy.' Yes, it's still absolutely creepy to me.. extremely unhealthy mental status.. but how much that is actually harmful and in need of repair? it's up in the air.. I'm unsure, as I only know what I can empathize with and rationalize.. and it just doesn't make sense at all to me, emotionally or logically, on a small local or a larger global scale to refer to all humans as objects and to treat them as such.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    I can't say I live this at all.

    I do try to minimize the amount of harm I do.. but I am selfish, and entitled, and a sucker for convenience. I do a lot of unnecessary harm for these principles alone.
    At the same time, I've seen you champion for justice when socially unjust situations were being discussed. I've seen you also uphold the principle of 'harming others with your actions isn't right'. I guess I'm wondering where the line goes, to what extent that is true for you and where that drive comes from
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    I want to harm people really badly. But I don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    At the same time, I've seen you champion for justice when socially unjust situations were being discussed. I've seen you also uphold the principle of 'harming others with your actions isn't right'. I guess I'm wondering where the line goes, to what extent that is true for you and where that drive comes from
    Right. I fall short the same way I feel Christians feel they fall short in the eyes of their God. Sticking and clinging to the principle despite failing it because the principle is not flawed--it is I who is flawed.

    Just because something is not attainable does not mean it is not worth reaching for. Where I draw the line? I have no idea.. It's vague, and changing with time and experience. What I felt was not important 2 years ago is today. Today I feel like consumerism is more harmful than many things, and I would have never given 2 thoughts to it before. I feel as if material possessions in excess are harmful now based on my life experience--yet, where to draw that line I am still working diligently on. It's a vague thing that needs constant attention and analyzing.
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