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    It's not the Godly choice. This is a descriptive/prescriptive issue. It wasn't glorified, it wasn't forbidden, it was tolerated. Yet, time and time again you can see those that had multiple wives getting nothing but trouble out of it.

    The ideal for humanity in general is to return to the garden and in the garden it was one man and one woman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    It's not the Godly choice. This is a descriptive/prescriptive issue. It wasn't glorified, it wasn't forbidden, it was tolerated. Yet, time and time again you can see those that had multiple wives getting nothing but trouble out of it.

    The ideal for humanity in general is to return to the garden and in the garden it was one man and one woman.
    Agreed.

    But we don't live in the garden here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Agreed.

    But we don't live in the garden here...
    But, we're on the journey to the garden, at least that's my eschatological view.

    We don't live in a society that benefits from the (possible) political stability of a king or tribe leader having dozens of sons to run his country for him and protect his ass. We have the (christian) western legal tradition to help us maintain political stability and it works a hell of lot better. Moreover, we live in a society with a much more fair distribution of wealth which is good in itself, but also makes multiple wives a nightmare as it would cause a scarcity of women available to men of means. Multiple wives can only work in a hierarchal society and even then the same thing happens to a large portion of men; they are condemned to a life without the joys of having a family. We have moved beyond that.

    There's just no reason for it and every reason not to sanction it in our society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    But, we're on the journey to the garden, at least that's my eschatological view.

    We don't live in a society that benefits from the (possible) political stability of a king or tribe leader having dozens of sons to run his country for him and protect his ass. We have the (christian) western legal tradition to help us maintain political stability and it works a hell of lot better. Moreover, we live in a society with a much more fair distribution of wealth which is good in itself, but also makes multiple wives a nightmare as it would cause a scarcity of women available to men of means. Multiple wives can only work in a hierarchal society and even then the same thing happens to a large portion of men; they are condemned to a life without the joys of having a family. We have moved beyond that.

    There's just no reason for it and every reason not to sanction it in our society.
    Meh. Mental masturbation.

    Making it legal for people to marry more than one person would probably just cut down on the divorce rate, if anything. And mean less trauma for families torn asunder.

    Really, should the government have say in how many people we choose to live our life with, or share love with? Especially when God's own Law does not forbid it?

    Why did we give the government rights over our private lives in this way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Meh. Mental masturbation.

    Making it legal for people to marry more than one person would probably just cut down on the divorce rate, if anything. And mean less trauma for families torn asunder.

    Really, should the government have say in how many people we choose to live our life with, or share love with? Especially when God's own Law does not forbid it?

    Why did we give the government rights over our private lives in this way?
    Where is this law written?
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    Quote Originally Posted by phobik View Post
    Where is this law written?
    In the Bible. There are shalt nots and there are shalts. There is neither regarding polygamy. Only that two men may not sleep together, and more along sexual sin lines.

    The Jews state that only polygyny is allowed but I cannot find anything about polyandry being a sin...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    In the Bible. There are shalt nots and there are shalts. There is neither regarding polygamy. Only that two men may not sleep together, and more along sexual sin lines.

    The Jews state that only polygyny is allowed but I cannot find anything about polyandry being a sin...
    Where did this bible come from and who wrote it?
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    The Bible began long, long ago. At a time when man was passing along stories orally. Certain men became inspired by God, and imbued with the spirit of God, and the story took shape that way. Abraham was credited with being the father of monotheism, and he was born around 2000 BC. The Bible was not actually written down until 547 BC, when the Israelite nation was forced into captivity in Babylon, and felt the drive to commit their story to paper/papyrus.

    Moses is credited with writing the early Bible, but it was not likely he that actually wrote it, as he lived around 1200 BC. Various prophets and men of God passed along wisdom and words granted to them by God. It all gelled together into the Bible.
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    You can probably tell by my signature (nearly every aspect of it) that I believe none of that nonsense (sorry if I offended anyone). After all, it is a faith, and I try to keep the amount of faith I hold in my life at a minimum, because it is unreasonable. I see the belief in God as an emotional crutch, most people find it hard to contemplate reality as it is, they think there's "got to be something more than this". It's an illusion propagated by the mystical tendencies of an uneducated human mind, in most cases that is.
    Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    In the Bible. There are shalt nots and there are shalts. There is neither regarding polygamy. Only that two men may not sleep together, and more along sexual sin lines.

    The Jews state that only polygyny is allowed but I cannot find anything about polyandry being a sin...
    So does this mean you're down with slavery?
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