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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    What a gangster. See what women drive men to? : D Damn Delilahs
    Hey, the guy looked like a stewbum, she just wanted him to trim up a little!


    ... I'm kind of shocked my one son never pulled the, "Why do I have to cut my hair, look what happened to Samson!" argument. Then again... I never really made him chop his hair much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Hey, the guy looked like a stewbum, she just wanted him to trim up a little!


    ... I'm kind of shocked my one son never pulled the, "Why do I have to cut my hair, look what happened to Samson!" argument. Then again... I never really made him chop his hair much.
    stewbum, lol, I had to look that up.

    Well ya, Samson was a bit of a hippie, but that dang Delilah was using her feminine wiles to figure out his weakness, and the p**** whipped samson, even AFTER Delilah attempted to restrain him, gave up the goods. His flowing locks were the secret to his power.

    Does your son know the Samson story? Man, he could really be working you. If only..... ; )
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    I don't know if this is off topic but my cousin won't cut his hair because he says that he'll lose his mojo like Samson did. This man does not live a biblical life style yet when it comes to growing his hair out his excuse for not conforming to civilized standards is biblical.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Thanks, I understand your point better there. (Although Psalms are really worship / songs to God, and they're treated as infallible scripture and models for behavior in every church I've gone to, so... still kind of unsettling. Churches do not make a distinction. I mean, look at the abortion issue and how consistently the church pulls stuff from Psalms -- "I am wonderfully and fearfully made, you knew me in my mother's womb," etc. -- to validate it's anti-abortion stance.)




    Yeah, I'm aware of all that.

    Still, David killed all those people because they were enemies of God, and he is called a man after God's own heart, and God seemed to endorse his victories and in fact the church routinely preaches such. I've done more than enough Bible studies and attended various denominations, and it's all taken as tacitly approved and even beloved by God.

    So David wasn't allowed to build the temple because of the blood he shed. It doesn't mean his behavior in those wars shouldn't be held as approved of and reflective of God, he was just a sword to shed blood, whereas Solomon was a hammer or saw (to build the temple). Both were still designated by God for certain tasks and were considered walking in his will. So we're back to the original problem with David and the things he did under God's leading that people now see as at best understandable in a time of war but not really anything especially moral... unless of course you are saying that none of the killing David did on God's behalf was approved by God and left him unworthy, yet he was still labeled as the "man after God's own heart." Big conundrum here, and I don't think this bullet can be dodged.
    I'm not dodging a bullet nor did I mean to imply that the blood David shed was not in line with what God required him to do but you cannot deny that the mercy seat that was in the holy of holies was a scared and essential part of their rituals in which you would come in close contact with the presence of God. The fact that God makes it clear that the blood David shed excluded him from building anything related to the Arc of the covenant let alone entering it lets us know that though it was necessary,blood shead was not ideal and was apart from Gods nature. This is not the only case in which we see those who shed blood excluded for extremely scared practices. It actually goes back to when the Arc of the covenant was initially built. God concreted the entire tribe of Levi and forbid them from having anything to do with war so that they could have direct contact with the Arc. Anyone who entered the holy of holies unworthily died immediately. Therefore if blood shead was what made Davad a man after Gods own heart why is there a curtally consistant sepration from the presance of God based on blood shead? That is why David being a man after God’s own heart has less to do with the ideal of killing enemies and more to do with his obedience to God. To further support this we can look at the Kingship of Saul.

    If you are familiar with Saul you know that he was the king before David. Sauls major flaw was that he never did what God told him to do. God would tell him to do one thing and Saul would do another causing Israel to be outside the will of God. David obeyed God and found favor with him thus making him a man after his own heart.I think that the cultral trend of blood shead excluding individuals from being in the presence of God and the constant disobedience of Saul the king before David can’t be disregarded in establishing why God favored David. The scripture that states that David is a man after Gods own heart also supports this as only David’s obedience is mentioned directly in refrence to the removal of Saul from Kingship and Gods favor.

    Acts 13:22New International Version (NIV)
    22 After removing Saul, he made David their king. God testified concerning him: ‘I have found David son of Jesse, a man after my own heart; he will do everything I want him to do.’
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Sadly, things are becoming more and more that way: the reality is that perception is being overvalued.


    You could say that, but not all non-believers (or otherwise-believers) claim their moral code is superior to that of others. If anything, Christianity is the belief system whose followers most often seem to assert the superiority of their own moral code, and indeed their whole faith; though certain Muslim groups are giving them a run for their money. When someone makes death wishes on a public forum, it says more about their individual state of mind than anything else. Any faith can be used to jusify this, and to decry it.


    Any discussion that claims the superiority or uniqueness of Christianity or the Bible invites counterexamples. But then perhaps you are claiming neither here.


    It's the story of the blind men and the elephant. No one can see the totality of God. That doesn't make what we do see without value, but then the same can be said for other believers as well. The commonality of certain basic themes and archetypes across the world's religions does indeed point to something fundamental, though whether about God or about humanity cannot be determined with certainty. (Joseph Campbell wrote extensively on this topic.)

    It is interesting that you include science as one of the disciplines that points to God. When my own faith was much in doubt, it was my appreciation of the work of great scientists of old like Newton and Galileo that kept me from losing faith altogether, and eventually set me on the spiritual path I still follow today.
    I'd say humanity, personally. It is refreshing to hear a god-believer accept science, though. It is less common in the deep south, but I hear of progressives from time to time. I quite enjoy the company of moderates. Their metaphorical tales add flavor, as a rule.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    I'd say humanity, personally. It is refreshing to hear a god-believer accept science, though. It is less common in the deep south, but I hear of progressives from time to time. I quite enjoy the company of moderates. Their metaphorical tales add flavor, as a rule.
    add me to that list. Believer even without denomination. I see the beams of mathematical fractals passing through each scale/echelon/level of reality as evidence of design. Science actually gives me more faith, hope, and reasons to inform my love.
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    Olemn slammed his hammer and from the sparks on the metal of his anvil came the spheres of the heavens.

    Sayrah blew life into the spheres and they moved. From her wheel she weaved the names of people in to mystery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    The context here is that Jerusalem is preparing to take revenge upon Babylon for the capture of Jerusalem. What is appalling here is the assumption that the children of the captors are somehow guilty and deserve death, when only a few people are guilty, namely the leadership of the Babylonians. It would have been far more merciful to instruct the Jews to take children under 12 under their wing and to raise them as their own. This brings up an interesting point, however. If God was protecting Jerusalem, and has the power to will anything into existence, why didn't her protect Jerusalem with a force-field radius which allowed no invaders to enter?





    And in another example of child-killing:
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    They were not preparing for war here the Psalmist is captive. God did not protect Israel from the Babylon because he was passing judgment on them for their disobedience. At a time when Israel was very prosperous God told Israel not to make a deal with a nation because they were going to betray them. Israel didn’t listen so when it happened God didn’t protect them. He also told them they would be held captive by this nation for a number of years and afterwards he would restore the nation. So God is not about to kill babies for an insolent nation he is punishing. The Psalmist is clearly bitter about what happened and is cursing Babylon promising to remember everything that was done to the nation of Israel and promising to take revenge.


    As for Numbers 31 yes people were killed It was necessary to establish the nation and it was culturally customary in that time to kill the male children. I believe this was so they wouldn’t rise up a seek revenge when they came of age. Also this was a time of patriarchal societies so male children wouldn’t customarily be assimilated in to the conquering culture. The order to Kill the male children was given by Moses and did not come directly from God. God often worked within the culture of the time. No blood shed was not ideal but he allowed it. We also know that those who shead blood could not have anything to do with the Arc of the Covenant which was the most sacred ritual and artifact of the Jews. The entire tribe of Levi that was consecrated to deal with the Arc of the convent was forbidden from ever going to war so that they would not have to participate in blood shed.

    After the people were killed in Numbers everyone who did the killing was not allowed back into the camp until they were cleansed by a series of rituals. Everything that they took had to be cleansed by holy fire. Anything that couldn’t be cleansed by fire needed to be cleansed by water. The virgins that they brought back also needed to be cleansed.This is all evidence that though it might have been ordered and was necessary it was in no way ideal and needed to be atoned for. This also old testament law. We can see the progression throughout the Bible where practices that call for blood are no longer prohibited. The brutal nature of the Old Testament should be viewed in the same way we view hangings and executions in the medieval era. They were cultural practices that improved overtime.

    Now the women that were killed conspired with Balaam's against Israel causing the nation to sin and break the covenant with God. Balaam kept trying to curse Israel after they over through a neighboring nation. Balaam feared that Israel would do the same to him so he tried to get a holy man to curse them. After several warnings from God himself and the Holy man Balaam was cursed and told that Israel would certainly destroy his nation. To avoid the curse Balaam attempted to merge the two nations so he and the woman of his nation conspired to seduced and whore with the nation of Israel. They also incited them to attend ceremonies where sacrifices were made to their Gods. The men took the women as wives. One of the women that ended up marrying into a family of a high ranking Israelite and she herself was the daughter of a high ranking family. The man brought the woman to a scared religious ceremony which broke convent with God. God ordered that all the women who conspired with Balaam as well as the men that received them and married them to be killed. Holding both the men of Israel and the women sent by Balaam accountable. Which brings up one of the verses you bolded Moses wanted the women that were brought back by his men killed because they also conspired with Balaam who God cursed so they couldn’t be spared.

    Numbers 31: 15-16 Moses said to them, “Have you let all the women live? 16 Behold, these, on Balaam's advice, caused the people of Israel to act treacherously against the LORD in the incident of Peor, and so the plague came among the congregation of the LORD.

    The male children were customarily killed and the virgins were adopted into the nation because they didn’t conspire with Balaam to whore with the Israelite men.

    So essentially Balaam brought judgment on his entire nation by disobeying God after many warnings and trying to outsmart God by conspiring to corrupt the nation of Israel causing massive amounts of people from both nations to die. I think something like over 600k Israelite men were killed because they spelt with and married the Women
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    This is some evidence we are vitally interested in context. After all, God is the context for everything.

    But stepping down a little from God we find contexts themselves are very interesting. We might even say personality types are a context for persons. And of course there are good contexts and bad contexts, for instance our social environment is a potent context: and a good social context leads onto a good life, and a bad social context can ruin your life.

    And we are fascinated by contexts within contexts, we might say we are entranced by contexts within contexts. And there are good and bad contexts within contexts. For instance, addiction is a bad context within a context. And some Shakespearean plays are good examples of plays within plays, that is, contexts within contexts.

    But as we go deeper into contexts within contexts, within contexts, within contexts, down to the fourth context, we loose the ability to distinguish between imagination and reality, and what is imaginary becomes real. So religious experience occurs at fourth level context.

    So we meet God at the fourth level.

    So we might say religious ritual is a contextual elevator, and when we reach the fourth floor, we find not haberdashery, but God, the saints and angels, not to mention the demons and devils.

    Who dares get out of the elevator at the fourth floor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Qwan View Post
    I'd say humanity, personally. It is refreshing to hear a god-believer accept science, though. It is less common in the deep south, but I hear of progressives from time to time. I quite enjoy the company of moderates. Their metaphorical tales add flavor, as a rule.
    I was about to write that I can do no less in my profession, but it is more than that. I feel it is something essential about myself as a person.

    Quote Originally Posted by GarrotTheThief View Post
    add me to that list. Believer even without denomination. I see the beams of mathematical fractals passing through each scale/echelon/level of reality as evidence of design. Science actually gives me more faith, hope, and reasons to inform my love.
    Do you accept the concept usually referred to as "intelligent design" then?
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    I was about to write that I can do no less in my profession, but it is more than that. I feel it is something essential about myself as a person.


    Do you accept the concept usually referred to as "intelligent design" then?
    Are you a scientist?
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