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    Quote Originally Posted by iNtrovert View Post
    Yes they are...you can object to the entire bible if you want to but if your objection is based on misinformation you don’t have a leg to stand on.
    Well, you can be right even when you are right for the wrong reasons. You may not look very smart doing so, but you are still right.

    Also, I am still curious how you do read the Bible, historical and textual context and all. Because, personally, I would find it very hard to take what we know about the Bible as a historical collection of texts and maintain that it was written or inspired by a god.

    Quote Originally Posted by iNtrovert View Post
    More like the flavor of humanity. You can't deny that people on both sides tend to be arrogant,intolerant and haughty when it comes to matter of faith or lack thereof. I’ve seen Christians should die be publically mocked and that religion is a brain disease not on typo C but in other arenas. Hateful people will be hateful people and they will use belief or non-belief to justify it.
    Quite true. Yet christians, professing belief in the religion of love, look a bit more wrongheaded in their display of intolerance and hate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    Now who's being absolutist?
    Remember we're only speaking in terms of fantasy and reality. While you might prefer modern secular "realistic" views of beliefs over the fantastic beliefs of the middle ages the practices seem to be quite the opposite. People in the middle ages embraced reality as they kept their old in the home and the dead close at hand in church graveyards in the west and shrines in the east. In modern times we keep the old and dying away from the rest of society in rest homes and we utilize every means possible to distract us from reality whether it's tv, video games, or online forums.
    Oh my goodness. Are you for real?
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    I will pray for this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Oh my goodness. Are you for real?
    Sadly, it's not enough to just be real anymore.

    Can't you see that there's going to be a difference in the approach to reality between a society that believes significance is inherent in reality and a society that shifts significance to a matter of perception?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Well, you can be right even when you are right for the wrong reasons. You may not look very smart doing so, but you are still right.

    Also, I am still curious how you do read the Bible, historical and textual context and all. Because, personally, I would find it very hard to take what we know about the Bible as a historical collection of texts and maintain that it was written or inspired by a god.


    You can be right for the wrong reasons but then you're just guessing and therefore have no real right to question what other people believe in. I personally can't believe in things for no apparent reason and then claim to be correct but if that’s your thing be my guest.


    The authority of the bible come from the historical verification of Jesus himself, the eye witness accounts of his miracles, teachings, death, burial, and resurrection are historically verifiable and widely accepted by historians and historical scholars Christians and non-Christians worldwide. In these historical verifiable accounts Jesus affirms the authority of the cannon of the Old Testament making clear references in many of the scriptures in the gospels about them. In addition the bible has made prophecies in the Old Testament abbot Jesus that were fulfilled in the New Testament. The Dead Sea scrolls verified the time gap between the new and Old Testament yet they accurately predict the place of birth of Jesus, how he would die and his rejection. There is also evidence outside the bible for the rapid pace at which Christianity spread after the death of Jesus,as well as Christian rituals and Jesus’s existence

    "Reporting on Emperor Nero's decision to blame the Christians for the fire that had destroyed Rome in A.D. 64, the Roman historian Tacitus wrote:

    Nero fastened the guilt . . . on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of . . . Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome. . . .5"

    "Tacitus reports Christians derived their name from a historical person called Christus (from the Latin), or Christ. He is said to have "suffered the extreme penalty," obviously alluding to the Roman method of execution known as crucifixion. This is said to have occurred during the reign of Tiberius and by the sentence of Pontius Pilatus. This confirms much of what the Gospels tell us about the death of Jesus."

    There are more references like the letters of Pliny the Younger to Emperor Trajan, and the writings of Josephus, a first century Jewish historian ect.

    There is also the fact that not a single apostle recanted belief even in the face of extreme torture and dies horrible deaths for their faith. This points to the fact that they must have seen something miraculous occur. The skeptic argument that they all just thought it happen or hallucinated has been vastly rejected. Jesus was said to appear to large groups of people it is essentially medically impossible and highly improbable that this many people hallucinated the same thing for with many of them had no prior hope to manifest a hallucination of Jesus Christ.

    How do we read the bible? We read it like any other book contextually according to the Genre in which it was written considering the purpose,cultural context,and the langue. I’m just going to quote myself here because I’ve pretty much answered this already

    Quote Originally Posted by iNtrovert View Post
    Your main problem is you have little to no understanding of the bible itself. The bible is the documentation about the fall of man, man’s separation from God through sin and the way in which God reconciled himself to man first through the Jews then to the Gentiles.

    The Old Testament deals largely with the fall of man and God taking the first steps to reconcile himself with man through the Jews. God tried to govern the Jews directly but they were stubborn and did not listen so he gave them a set of specific rituals to follow so that they even before the coming of the Messiah could live a holy life set apart from the gentiles, this is what the law books are about. The law books were established with Moses which is why they are called the laws of Moses. The first 5 books of the bible are law books. They tell us about the fall of man establishing why we need the law, talk about how the nation of Israel was established and why the law was given to them and they also tell us what the laws were and how they were revealed.

    The next 12 books or so are History. Just as there are lessons in modern history there are lessons in biblical history so it’s important. We learn about Israel and a nation and how god dealt with them and why.

    The next set of books are poetry. They are filled with song and parables. We get cultural poems of praise despair love joy. Parables of wisdom and of folly.

    The Next 17 or so book are books of prophesy. They foreshadow the coming of the lord and the way he will reconcile himself to not just the Jews but the entire world.
    The next 4 to 5 books are the gospels. These books are the prophecies being fulfilled by the birth death and resurrection of Christ. This is also the start of the New Testament in which the old law of the Old Testament is fulfilled and the new law is established. Jesus through his teachings, miracles death and resurrection was establishing the new plan of salvation so that everyone could live holy if they chose to follow him. The Jews wanted to be god’s specials snowflakes and denied him which brings me to the remaining books. Paul’s letters to the church and general letters are the foundation on which Christians today formed their many doctrines.

    So it’s not that the Old Testament and things and laws are just there. They are important and we can learn things from them but the New Testament is where we found our doctrine today.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Quite true. Yet christians, professing belief in the religion of love, look a bit more wrongheaded in their display of intolerance and hate
    Nope, It's all perspective. I could say non-believers look worse because they profess to have a moral code superior to that or the religious derived from their own sense of right and wrong. Yet, when they wish death on people in public forums its proof that their moral compass is corrupt which is a tenant of the Christn religion and they look quite foolish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iNtrovert View Post
    Nope, It all perspective. I could say non-believers look worse because they profess to have a moral code superior to that or the religious derived from their own sense of right and wrong. Yet, when they wish death on people in public forums its proof that their moral compass is corrupt which is a tenant of the Christn religion and they look quite foolish.
    I don't participate much in these threads because I get tired of dealing with all these black-and-white assumptions regardless of who believes what.

    But it does go back to people being people regardless of their beliefs, and I don't really see a claim to any religious (or non-religious) faith to being a special sign of anything in terms of character. Evaluate individuals by what they say, what they do, and what attitudes they typically foster, if anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I don't participate much in these threads because I get tired of dealing with all these black-and-white assumptions regardless of who believes what.

    But it does go back to people being people regardless of their beliefs, and I don't really see a claim to any religious (or non-religious) faith to being a special sign of anything in terms of character. Evaluate individuals by what they say, what they do, and what attitudes they typically foster, if anything.
    I agree

    Quote Originally Posted by iNtrovert View Post
    More like the flavor of humanity. You can't deny that people on both sides tend to be arrogant,intolerant and haughty when it comes to matter of faith or lack thereof. I’ve seen Christians should die be publically mocked and that religion is a brain disease not on typo C but in other arenas. Hateful people will be hateful people and they will use belief or non-belief to justify it.
    But @Nicodemus doesn't seem to agree with us
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    Quote Originally Posted by iNtrovert View Post
    Nicodemus doesn't seem to agree with us
    If Nico doesn't agree with me, he'll tell me himself.
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    The late great Senza told me something in the line of God to be a kind, forgiving person is a new concept of man as their expectation have changed and that it used to be power, obedience, vengeance many millenniums ago.

    I think it makes a lot of sense.

    The Jews were constantly under threat of existence therefore survival was a constant concern; therefore a powerful God is what they wanted who wanted obedience from his followers and vengeance were his lessons to both infidels and his followers who didn't follow him properly - atleast this was the justification for harm that fell on them. However, then God came to Europe. And Europe changed God because what they wanted from God was different esp after the 17th century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    If Nico doesn't agree with me, he'll tell me himself.
    True but I said he doesn't seem to agree meaning that his responses to me seem to suggest that he feels Christians are worse when they exhibit less than ideal behavior for religious reasons. Actually that is exactly what he said and I purposely mentioned him in that last post so he could be a part of the conversation. I'm not putting words in his mouth nor was that my intention. I'm simply going off of what he said himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Quite true. Yet christians, professing belief in the religion of love, look a bit more wrongheaded in their display of intolerance and hate
    "Re-examine all that you have been told... dismiss that which insults your soul."_Walt Whitman

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