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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyyukon View Post
    "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man. She must be quiet." (1 Timothy 2:12)

    "Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses." (1 Samuel 15:3)

    "You shall not let a sorceress live." (Exodus 22:18)

    "Happy those who seize your children and smash them against a rock." (Psalm 137:9)


    "Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord." (Ephesians 5:22)

    "Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are perverse." (1 Peter 2:18)

    Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man. (Numbers 31:17)

    If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel. (Deuteronomy 22)

    If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, "Let us go and worship other gods," do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. (Deuteronomy 13:6-9)

    Jesus: "But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them--bring them here and kill them in front of me." Luke (19:27)



    My B! I forgot you have to be a bible scholar to read all those crazy verses the way they were supposed to be read: in the bathing light of God's love!

    I will devote the rest of my days to studying the bible so I can quote them on a forum showing how they are "just history" and old dusty laws and not the word of God. The guy who wrote Psalms was just ticked off and in jail when he wrote that kid smashing against rock thing. Ya learn something everyday!

    Or wait, are they still the word of God? And wait again, so those were old laws and just history, so the rest of the bible is too? See, darn it, I'm confused again.

    Off to earn my PHD in Bible Scholarism! I was a fool to think the Bible isn't clear and to ever try to read it without an expert close by!
    Thus your desperate attempt to justify your ignorance goes to show how bias and ignorant you truly are. You don't need to be an expert or genius to read things in context. If someone tells you the all the women who sing rock a bye baby to their children have postpartum depression, are a danger to their children and should lose custody of them immediately because they're cheerfully singing about them falling from the top of a tree you're going to call them an idiot. Why? Because you understand the history behind it. You know that it's cultural context and tradition. You know when someone says it raining cats and dogs there is no need to call animal control.

    Historical text or text of any kind ,not just the bible, need to be read and understood in contect.If you’re too intellectually lazy to at least try to understand just admit it, close your mouth and cling to you bias. You will remain ignorant and no one will care. In addition I never said that the bible didn't have devine authority. There is doctrine involved there are instructions and truths in the bible but there are also genera’s for the books of the bible by which we understand them. It doesn’t take much effort you can google it. They even have some with colorful pictures so you don’t have to think as hard.

    If you're not going to respond to my arguments with actual challenges instead of exalting your own ignorance, playing it off like the average person doesn’t have the ability to comprehend historical text, you have no right to mock people that say “I don’t know so god did it “because you’re just bad if not worse. Just like non-believers are always telling believers "don’t go around quoting/ believing stuff you don’t even understand" follow your own advice and remain silent. On the other hand you can just keep talking and look like a fool. I’m actually looking forward to the latter it’s more entertaining for me that way.
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    @johnnyyukon Didn't like that turtle comment eh...lol. I never argued with you. I just said you are igorant of scripture and therefore have no business trying to quote it. To which you responded with something to the effect normal people can't understand it. Then I told you to stop making excuses for your ignorance.You could just go back and read it for yourself.. I mean this did just happen....and you were there unless you didn't actually read what I wrote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iNtrovert View Post
    @johnnyyukon Didn't like that turtle comment eh...lol. I never argued with you. I just said you are igorant of scripture and therefore have no business trying to quote it. To which you responded with something to the effect normal people can't understand it. Then I told you to stop making excuses for your ignorance.You could just go back and read it for yourself.. I mean this did just happen....and you were there unless you didn't actually read what I wrote.
    1. women subservient to men. So if I look, I'm going to find zero verses about women being subservient to men? And If I find more, it's actually just a translation error, or hapax legomenon, as you say (sounds like *coughbullshit)

    2, 3, 8, 9 Old Laws, we just put them in there for history for some reason. So nothing in the Old Testament is valid today? Why is it even included? Shall I find verses from the New Testament only? I can do that. I have a few in my back pocket.

    4. Psalms is just poetry

    5. So you can’t love your subordinate wife? are you saying the bible does not say women should be subordinate?

    6. So slaves weren't part of the law in the Bible, or if it was, it was the Old Testament right? Which you've said can pretty much be ignored. Shall I see if there are any other uses of the word in the New Testament?

    7. confused, so they did or did not kill the boys and women who slept with men?

    10. Ok maybe it was a parable.
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    Are we glorifying God here?


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    @johnnyyukon Your main problem is you have little to no understanding of the bible itself. The bible is the documentation about the fall of man, man’s separation from God through sin and the way in which God reconciled himself to man first through the Jews then to the Gentiles.

    The Old Testament deals largely with the fall of man and God taking the first steps to reconcile himself with man through the Jews. God tried to govern the Jews directly but they were stubborn and did not listen so he gave them a set of specific rituals to follow so that they even before the coming of the Messiah could live a holy life set apart from the gentiles, this is what the law books are about. The law books were established with Moses which is why they are called the laws of Moses. The first 5 books of the bible are law books. They tell us about the fall of man establishing why we need the law, talk about how the nation of Israel was established and why the law was given to them and they also tell us what the laws were and how they were revealed.

    The next 12 books or so are History. Just as there are lessons in modern history there are lessons in biblical history so it’s important. We learn about Israel and a nation and how god dealt with them and why.

    The next set of books are poetry. They are filled with song and parables. We get cultural poems of praise despair love joy. Parables of wisdom and of folly.

    The Next 17 or so book are books of prophesy. They foreshadow the coming of the lord and the way he will reconcile himself to not just the Jews but the entire world.
    The next 4 to 5 books are the gospels. These books are the prophecies being fulfilled by the birth death and resurrection of Christ. This is also the start of the New Testament in which the old law of the Old Testament is fulfilled and the new law is established. Jesus through his teachings, miracles death and resurrection was establishing the new plan of salvation so that everyone could live holy if they chose to follow him. The Jews wanted to be god’s specials snowflakes and denied him which brings me to the remaining books. Paul’s letters to the church and general letters are the foundation on which Christians today formed their many doctrines.

    So it’s not that the Old Testament and things and laws are just there. They are important and we can learn things from them but the New Testament is where we found our doctrine today.
    "Re-examine all that you have been told... dismiss that which insults your soul."_Walt Whitman

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Are we glorifying God here?


    Introvert, how do you know so much about the Bible?
    I read it, study it and read historical and biblical commentaries. I also go to a good church who teaches doctrine and has always encourage me to know what I believe. I've never been formally trainned. I know what I know because I take it upon myself to know it. I almost became an atheist when I was like 18 and said psh this is a load of crap. In an attempt to put my religious beliefs to bed once and for all I started studying the scripture in-depth and found truth. I found I had good reason to believe what I believed and I've been doing my best to carry my cross since then. I've come a long way since then and I'm just realizing how much I've grown witing this reply. God is truly a good God because I almsot didn't make it lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by iNtrovert View Post
    No problem but this makes me want to go back through this thread and see what could make you gree with the tone of johnnyyukon's post.
    Haughtiness and disdain for difference in belief. Some believers seem inclined to take it upon themselves to play the role of God and act as judge, jury, and executioner. Recently it was put forth that non-believers are mentally deficient unless they either convert or kill themselves. Ironically those without a written code of ethics often seem to behave more civilly. That sort of sentiment is what makes me empathize with his tone, regardless of my personal beliefs. Ironically I have come to this thread before to celebrate what I believe, but I find it hostile ground, and certainly not the sort of homage any Divine I believe in would deem virtuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iNtrovert View Post
    @johnnyyukon Your main problem is you have little to no understanding of the bible itself.
    Yes, I have not devoted my life to the study of the Bible.

    But you're wrong if you think that's a problem.

    Thanks for the summary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    Haughtiness and disdain for difference in belief. Some believers seem inclined to take it upon themselves to play the role of God and act as judge, jury, and executioner. Recently it was put forth that non-believers are mentally deficient unless they either convert or kill themselves. Ironically those without a written code of ethics often seem to behave more civilly.
    I see well that's too bad. I can only tell you what the bible says, I can't make you accept it. Every person at the very least has the right to accept or deny it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skylights View Post
    Haughtiness and disdain for difference in belief. Some believers seem inclined to take it upon themselves to play the role of God and act as judge, jury, and executioner. Recently it was put forth that non-believers are mentally deficient unless they either convert or kill themselves.
    And some members either have reading comprehension difficulties or intentionally misrepresent the viewpoints of other members.
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