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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctic Hysteria View Post
    Oh Wow. I wish we were that simple.
    Please explain.
    Just because people pick and choose from a variety of (often inconsistent) beliefs doesn't change that they're acting like God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    The existence of God is the ONLY way ANY "fantasy" like significance, love, meaning etc. can be grounded in reality. It's illogical and inconsistent to reject God and then think that it's somehow superior to only pretend that life has significance and not that life is governed by God.

    If there is no God then they're both fantasies and there's really only one way to reject ALL fantasy...



    Thank God most people just choose to be inconsistent, especially since their premise is wrong.
    Your premise is right only when we are talking in absolutes. The mere feeling of love, a mere sense of significance and meaning are all humanity needs to be content. Hell, it is all we can possibly obtain of love, significance and meaning, and, hence, all these words can mean.

    Metaphysics is over, my brother.

    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    ^What atheists/agnostics do is replace God with man, and think it is enough.
    What christians do is replace ignorance with an invisible sponge, and think it is knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Your premise is right only when we are talking in absolutes. The mere feeling of love, a mere sense of significance and meaning are all humanity needs to be content. Hell, it is all we can possibly obtain of love, significance and meaning, and, hence, all these words can mean.
    Western civilization is starving on illusory significance and love. It is not enough.
    Take the weakest thing in you
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    So you can let go when you give it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    The existence of God is the ONLY way ANY "fantasy" like significance, love, meaning etc. can be grounded in reality. It's illogical and inconsistent to reject God and then think that it's somehow superior to only pretend that life has significance and not that life is governed by God.

    If there is no God then they're both fantasies and there's really only one way to reject ALL fantasy...



    Thank God most people just choose to be inconsistent, especially since their premise is wrong.
    To be fair, if someone disagrees with your view of reality, it comes across more like this:



    You also erroneously have an "all or nothing" view of the universe. Just because something might not have universal significance across the board for everyone does not mean that it doesn't have personal significance to me in my particular corner of the universe; and that's actually acceptable.

    Do you think an individual's pain, or a small community's pain, doesn't matter at all to those people if God does not exist? It affects their quality of life regardless. Or that people can't invest in something with integrity just because it might not have eternal religious significance? For that period in time, for those people, in that place, it does matter and it does impact the quality of their existence.

    You seem to have such a binary view: If you're not agreeing with your particular view of the universe, then you might as well end your life now. Black and white simplifies decision-making but doesn't really do the topic justice. There's a lot people say about brutalization that occurs with the loss of universal meaning, but there's quite a bit of brutalization that has occurred in the name of universal meaning since people can now be labeled as enemies opposed to one side's view of truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Your premise is right only when we are talking in absolutes. The mere feeling of love, a mere sense of significance and meaning are all humanity needs to be content. Hell, it is all we can possibly obtain of love, significance and meaning, and, hence, all these words can mean.

    Metaphysics is over, my brother.


    What christians do is replace ignorance with an invisible sponge, and think it is knowledgeGod.
    But if it brings beauty out of ashes, and all the world can witness this, isn't that a pretty remarkable sponge?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    Western civilization is starving on illusory significance and love. It is not enough.
    Save us, God, bring back the Middle Ages!

    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    But if it brings beauty out of ashes, and all the world can witness this, isn't that a pretty remarkable sponge?
    I like to think of that sponge as a great big bang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    Save us, God, bring back the Middle Ages!


    I like to think of that sponge as a great big bang.
    No, no, no. Where is your usual level of biting and unbeatable wit? Are you losing your edge in love, Nico?

    The Great Sponge caused the Big Bang. And lots of bubbles came out of it. And He placed us on one of them, to rule over it and to be His army of shining, clean faces.

    See?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    The Great Sponge caused the Big Bang. And lots of bubbles came out of it. And He placed us on one of them, to rule over it and to be His army of shining, clean faces.

    See?
    Proof?

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    You first.
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    The more one loves God, the more it is that having nothing in the world means everything, and the less one loves God, the more it is that having everything in the world means nothing.

    Do not resist an evil person, but to him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer also the other. ~Matthew 5:39

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    You first.
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