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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    The Trinity is an article of faith of Christianity. Those who don't subscribe to the Trinity are not Christians. They are Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Dawn Bible Students, Friends General Conference, Iglesia ni Cristo, Jehovah's Witnesses, Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians, The Way International, The Church of God, International and the United Church of God.
    It's hard to say who christain, and who isn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inventor View Post
    It's hard to say who christain, and who isn't.
    Why would you say that?

    Christians profess their faith. They have a Profession of Faith. This profession is well known and well worked out. Those who profess this specific faith are Christian and those who don't, aren't.

    So either you don't know what a Christian is, or you have a non Christian belief but want to fly under the banner of Christianity.

    For instance, Mormons have a non Christian belief but regularly tell me they are Christian. But when I question them closely, even they will admit they don't profess the Christian faith.

    So are you like the Mormons or is it you genuinely don't know what a Christian is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Religion is revealed to us by God. So we only know God by revelation. So religions have dogma by necessity.

    If you don't accept revelation then you are thrown back onto direct mystical experience of God.

    And when narsissists publishing selfies tell me they have direct mystical experience of God, I say, big claims require big evidence. But the evidence is never in evidence.
    I think the proof of God's existence lies within the self, and It's not something that I, nor anyone can prove to you with any evidence that you would accept. You need to look for yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    THANK YOU. I want to get this printed on cards to hand out whenever this topic comes up. I believe exactly as you do, and yet participate in Catholic services, which many people find loony. It's simply the way I was raised to relate to God, and so it's where I feel the divine.
    I'm still trying to figure out whether I'm a fallen believer or a skeptic searching for god, but I totally understand this -- the faith is the expression of your connection and is essentially a matter of individual diversity versus something that is more right or less right than some other approach.

    On a related topic, I hate when people hold religion against God. For example, "I don't believe in God because people do (insert offensive act) in his name." It's like saying "I don't believe in charity because the Salvation Army hates gays". Humans are imperfect, and that means that their endeavors will be imperfect, even those that are truly good. Everyone sins, and that fact is not an argument against God, or even against the concept of religion.
    Agreed. It's kind of like besides the point as to whether humans fail and whether there are even some bad apples in the mix. Anyone in any kind of philosophy or belief can be a hypocrite, but it says nothing about the belief itself... except maybe how hard it might be to live up to, at worst.


    ... as far as "who is a Christian," I suppose whatever majority faction has ownership of the overall religious doctrine at the time gets to decide that. There are a very steady basics, but otherwise people will accuse each other of being apostates over the dumbest things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gromit View Post
    God is in the space between us...
    Hey, do you mind expanding on this, even a little bit? I'm curious as to what you mean.

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    Default The Greatest Commandment

    The LORD thy God, the LORD is One! You shalt love the LORD thy God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your might.

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    [commandment 2 of the 10]: Thou shalt have none other Gods before me.



    Nice thread progression. I can't wait to read it all more carefully. Lots of responses since last night.

    The mindset that isn't fair to God is the one of calling Him by other names, especially names of gods and goddesses. If you were a parent, would you like your child to call you by the name of someone you detested? How much more strongly does our Creator feel about us lumping Him in with The Universe, or gods and goddesses? Yes, to you, it might feel the same, but it isn't the same. Especially not to God.

    When you love someone, you give them respect. More than anything God wants us to love Him. If you are calling Him by another name, you probably don't know Him very well.

    He loves you so much He is always watching you, waiting for you to notice Him! Why don't you try loving Him, which starts by calling Him by His name. God, Elohim, or Adonai.


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    Quote Originally Posted by inventor View Post
    Well my problem with the whole Jesus, and bible thing is the bible is 50% violence, god acts like Zeus, and war, and the other is ok, but that 50% I cannot accept.
    I know what you mean. I was only a little girl, attending church when the Abraham/Isaac story was read. I thought how can God demand a man kill his own son??? On top of that, all the animal sacrifices didn't go down well with the young animal activist that I was. It literally made me veer from God, and pushed me along the path toward atheism.

    But the Bible must be read in order, from beginning to end. Because that is the best way to hear a story, and to read a story, to understand it. We need the context of the OT before we can truly place the NT in its proper place.

    Reading the stories of war is difficult to understand. One thing that must be kept in mind is that men ruled the day. Anywhere men go, war is left in their wake. There are some times God prescribes annihilating a certain peoples, but usually that is when the people were such bad idol worshipers that there were hardly any who even believed in God. So that the Chosen Ones could prosper and survive, God felt in those cases it was a necessary sacrifice. He never likes to destroy His creation. It's always a last resort. Most of the time, however, in the wars of the OT, it is the kings who are hungry for more land or power or have vengeance in their heart. Even if they query God whether to go to war or not, it is still their idea and their action that wages the war and are responsible for the resultant destruction of peoples.

    I have made peace with the story of Abraham and Isaac because I have lived something similar. Anyone who continues walking with God and getting closer to Him, will face these exact same challenges! Maybe not killing your child, but certainly being faced with two roads: clinging to an earthly object or even loved one, or clinging to God. God ultimately wants to test us to know we would be willing to put Him first. But that is only after a long road of growing closer and closer to Him. His tests get harder and harder as you grow with Him, but also more meaningful. And just like a long-term relationship, these tests and trusts make us bond more with our Creator. Our Master.



    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post

    This is a good way of putting it. Religions that believe in reincarnation sometimes teach that suicide is just a way of avoiding whatever lessons this life has to teach you. If you don't work through the lesson in this life, you will see it again in the next. Sort of a metaphysical analog of history repeating itself.



    Thank you. I really have to say I believe Hell is this. It's earthly existence among each other, and the resultant evil tyranny that manifests among non believers and disbelievers, and the brew of our human natures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Why would you say that?

    Christians profess their faith. They have a Profession of Faith. This profession is well known and well worked out. Those who profess this specific faith are Christian and those who don't, aren't.

    So either you don't know what a Christian is, or you have a non Christian belief but want to fly under the banner of Christianity.

    For instance, Mormons have a non Christian belief but regularly tell me they are Christian. But when I question them closely, even they will admit they don't profess the Christian faith.

    So are you like the Mormons or is it you genuinely don't know what a Christian is?

    I never claimed to be a Christian, what I'm saying is you have billions of people all on this planet saying they are Christian with all very differ views on what a Christian is. I've read the bible cover to cover, and have studied it for over 10 years, and you can look at one verse, and easily get a thousands ideas on what it means - all non conclusive. So when someone talks about true Christians, and fake Christians I scuff at the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    The mindset that isn't fair to God is the one of calling Him by other names, especially names of gods and goddesses. If you were a parent, would you like your child to call you by the name of someone you detested? How much more strongly does our Creator feel about us lumping Him in with The Universe, or gods and goddesses? Yes, to you, it might feel the same, but it isn't the same. Especially not to God.

    When you love someone, you give them respect. More than anything God wants us to love Him. If you are calling Him by another name, you probably don't know Him very well.
    People I detest, exist. If my kid wants to call me Boba Fett instead of Mom, what do I care as long as they love me and do their best? If there's one God, then we're all talking to the same one, and there's nobody else for it to detest to resent us calling it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    Why would you say that?

    Christians profess their faith. They have a Profession of Faith. This profession is well known and well worked out. Those who profess this specific faith are Christian and those who don't, aren't.

    So either you don't know what a Christian is, or you have a non Christian belief but want to fly under the banner of Christianity.

    For instance, Mormons have a non Christian belief but regularly tell me they are Christian. But when I question them closely, even they will admit they don't profess the Christian faith.

    So are you like the Mormons or is it you genuinely don't know what a Christian is?
    A real Christian is a real messenger of Glad tidings. the tidings of the heart of understanding.

    Watch out for the nation that precludes this, for only the peculiar people among them might be true; this is my middle name.

    Further addition: And then you also have to worry about the true parts of understanding that might be added or subtracted... Although in my opinion, there is only one unadulterated way of understanding, and that requires putting in the required work with the Priest (or teacher) in the right Church community; if you are prepared to seek the kingdom. Providence and vanity will slay your soul, but righteousness and providence is the kingdom come. Righteousness has this test:
    Like my priest said: There is no peace without joy, and no joy without righteousness.
    And Righteousness will only come through the heart of understanding (which is where God wants to live, in the earth inside your mind)
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