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    Quote Originally Posted by sorenx7 View Post
    Your post is really just a low degree of religious persecution. Maybe you would like going to one of the countries which engages in active physical persecution of Christians. It kind of reminds me of a book I read long ago of someone who was assigned to break up meetings of Christians. Eventually, he became ashamed of himself and became a Christian, too, though. There is a difference between disagreeing with someone and insulting her. You are guilty of the latter in this case. Since it has been done to one of my friends, it isn't something I take lightly.
    I don't care what position she made that statement in the service of, in this case her Christianity does not even matter, the statement itself is ludicrous and describes reasoning at its poorest. And I'll tell you, back when evolutionary psychology and polyamory were her hobby horses I suspect she still thought in that manner.

    There is more in this world than anyone can expect to develop a deep understanding of. One could put what they believe to be a lot of time into understanding something and still fall very short of dedicated experts, and that leaves all the other subjects they still haven't touched. There will inevitably be things you don't understand that are definitely true and make sense. I've had a problem with math, it was a long slog for me to get to a point where I was able to get through college algebra with a B. I suppose anywhere along that way I could have said "if I don't understand this by now, math must be a bunch bullshit", instead I showed some openness and some diligence and learned it.

    It's just a very unproductive way of looking at things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I actually believe this is Hell. Lol. Not necessarily Type C, but sometimes yes! but how we treat each other on earth.

    But I do believe God will put our souls where they deserve to be; either with Him--close to Him or far away from Him, or back here on earth for another go round. Your little mind/brain cannot know the workings of God! Suffice it to say it's probably WAY more intense and foreboding that you give it credit for being.

    God is IN OUR BRAIN. He is in every cell of our body! He has the ability to influence you or leave you alone. IF science finds out the inner workings of the brain to that detail, they will find God behind it all. And, trust me, God will not like that. Nor allow it to go on for long.

    Also, I was a sort-of believer, an atheist, and now am reborn into and unto God. I'm a ascetic and recluse for Him. I worship Him and delight in Him every day. IF my brain suddenly changed, it's because He flipped switches in it.
    Do you see the paradox here? If all changes in us that worked toward Godliness were God's actions, he could just as easily do the same to all people and change all people to be like him.
    According to you, he hasn't.

    Both our arguments reason that an omnipotent God is responsible for all propensity towards Godliness. This does two things: First, it means that if not all people are Godly, God does not intend for them to be, otherwise they would be.
    Second, it means that if God truly wants you, there is no escaping him.

    And if to follow God means having faith, then you cannot make assumptions that you know better than God, so you should not take action in his name which he does not explicitly call for, as you are unsure if it is really for him.
    But if God wanting you or not wanting you is a final decision, then what? Following a law literally is certainly not the road to salvation. But what is? If God wants you, you will do what he wants. If you do not care to take additional action, yet God still wants you, your life will be no different under all the circumstances over which you have power.

    You cannot assume to know better than God, so you should not take actions in his name that he did not call for.
    If you are bound to serve God, you will serve God, and it will otherwise seem no different than if you were living a regular life.

    How, then, is it possible to differentiate between God-serving individuals and those who are not?

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    I don't believe in a God, nor do I don't not believe in a God. I believe in something beyond ourselves that we cannot actually explain. It can only be demonstrated through our consciousness. We emit and retrieve eg. "God" through our consciousness.

    The universe to me, is God. It's there, it's beyond what we can ever possibly fathom. It's energy. It's expanding, evolving, it's a totality, and we are a very small fraction of its happenings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by krypton1te View Post
    I don't believe in a God, nor do I don't not believe in a God. I believe in something beyond ourselves that we cannot actually explain. It can only be demonstrated through our consciousness. We emit and retrieve eg. "God" through our consciousness.

    The universe to me, is God. It's there, it's beyond what we can ever possibly fathom. It's energy. It's expanding, evolving, it's a totality, and we are a very small fraction of its happenings.

    No arguments there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sorenx7 View Post
    Your post is really just a low degree of religious persecution. Maybe you would like going to one of the countries which engages in active physical persecution of Christians. It kind of reminds me of a book I read long ago of someone who was assigned to break up meetings of Christians. Eventually, he became ashamed of himself and became a Christian, too, though. There is a difference between disagreeing with someone and insulting her. You are guilty of the latter in this case. Since it has been done to one of my friends, it isn't something I take lightly.
    No.

    As Magic Poriferan pointed out, her statement is demonstrative of willful ignorance regardless of whether she is talking about religion, math, or directions in a foreign language. Even so, any number of rigorous scholars in the history of Christianity would find that statement appalling.

    That said, "persecution" of the curious brand of Christianity demonstrated in this thread isn't an attack; it's a counterattack. You can't throw a punch and then step back and say we all need to respect each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    If I can't understand it by now, there is a good chance it's because it simply isn't true. Or doesn't make sense.
    Now you're just being ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilogen View Post
    Do you see the paradox here? If all changes in us that worked toward Godliness were God's actions, he could just as easily do the same to all people and change all people to be like him.
    According to you, he hasn't.

    Both our arguments reason that an omnipotent God is responsible for all propensity towards Godliness. This does two things: First, it means that if not all people are Godly, God does not intend for them to be, otherwise they would be.
    Second, it means that if God truly wants you, there is no escaping him.

    And if to follow God means having faith, then you cannot make assumptions that you know better than God, so you should not take action in his name which he does not explicitly call for, as you are unsure if it is really for him.
    But if God wanting you or not wanting you is a final decision, then what? Following a law literally is certainly not the road to salvation. But what is? If God wants you, you will do what he wants. If you do not care to take additional action, yet God still wants you, your life will be no different under all the circumstances over which you have power.

    You cannot assume to know better than God, so you should not take actions in his name that he did not call for.
    If you are bound to serve God, you will serve God, and it will otherwise seem no different than if you were living a regular life.

    How, then, is it possible to differentiate between God-serving individuals and those who are not?

    I totally do not understand what you are trying to say.

    God is in us, dormant or not, as He wishes.

    But we can draw close to Him and He can enter us more fully, become enlivened in us, and cause us to awaken. This depends on our free will to do so.

    The more we allow Him in, open to Him, and not close to Him, the more we can become like Jesus, which should be the goal of every Christian on earth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I totally do not understand what you are trying to say.

    God is in us, dormant or not, as He wishes.

    But we can draw close to Him and He can enter us more fully, become enlivened in us, and cause us to awaken. This depends on our free will to do so.

    The more we allow Him in, open to Him, and not close to Him, the more we can become like Jesus, which should be the goal of every Christian on earth.
    @Nihilogen is trying to illustrate a paradox that suggests that if God wanted everyone to be godly, [nongenger third person pronoun] would have made them so; therefore, you shouldn't try and win over others who God has specifically created to be ungodly. (at least that's my interpretation of it)

    Also, I was discussing function archetypes on another thread, and I can say with accuracy that you are most likely an ISFJ who experienced or is experiencing your daemon (hence your mistype as a type with your daemon as the hero).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    @Nihilogen is trying to illustrate a paradox that suggests that if God wanted everyone to be godly, [nongenger third person pronoun] would have made them so; therefore, you shouldn't try and win over others who God has specifically created to be ungodly.
    If that's what he meant, he's wrong, because that's not a paradox. It's discounting the value of free will. If you make someone love you, they don't really love you. You need to give them the option not to love you for there to be any value. I don't like what AGA has been saying in this thread, but we need to use better reasoning than her if we want to claim the high ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Also, I was discussing function archetypes on another thread, and I can say with accuracy that you are most likely an ISFJ who experienced or is experiencing your daemon (hence your mistype as a type with your daemon as the hero).
    Very interesting.

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