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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post

    So as someone who is not a Christian at all, they don't apply to me. I suppose that's fair enough. Part of choosing to be a Christian, then, is choosing to abide by these rules. At least it is voluntary now.


    Characterizing the highlighted groups as "prostitutes" is at best oversimplification, and at worst defamation.
    I was already referring to Believers. The rest is subjugate to that premise.

    Baal and Asherah were false gods, who were worshipped at the high places, and were honored by fornicating with prostitutes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard View Post
    It's not true though. Conversion therapy does not work, and has been discredited. It's regarded to be harmful.
    I did not say I agree with conversion therapy or not. I have not studied it much. I think any therapy without God is pointless, as He is the source Healer.

    Also, therapy is general doesn't seem to be very specific or sensitive, or to be very successful overall. I think, again, that this is because God is usually lacking in typical therapy.

    It would take a very very sensitive and specific type of therapy with a sensitive therapist who is a Child of God to help someone realize his or her true romantic potential once a lifetime of childhood hurts had plagued them. I don't think a gay conversion retreat or a self-righteous preacher would effect much good or change over a short period of time. Also, a necessary part of healing is to WANT to change. Fighting the flesh is a very difficult thing. Probably the most difficult thing a Christian faces.

    So, I give no credit to discredited conversion therapies to begin with.
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    here's my thoughts, it doesn't matter if you're christian or not. You can still have morals and values and still treat everyone with respect. and what you're saying is actually marginalizing people and a religion that does that. I want nothing to do with.
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Stacey Dooley did a show on gay conversion therapy, and in it she interviewed a psychiatrist/psychologist who had this theory. It resonated with what I know to be true as well.
    Wow! Stacey Dooley did a BBC 3 documentary about men who had had gay conversion therapy and were still struggling with their sexuality! And she interviewed a psychiatrist/psychologist who thinks homosexuality is caused by a lack of bonding with the same sex parent, and it resonated with what AphroditeGoneAwry knows to be true! Just look at that mountain of evidence guys. How could anyone possibly disagree with the view that homosexuality can be "cured", now that it has been definitively proven?

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    yes, the sarcasm is strong with this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Octavarium View Post
    Wow! Stacey Dooley did a BBC 3 documentary about men who had had gay conversion therapy and were still struggling with their sexuality! And she interviewed a psychiatrist/psychologist who thinks homosexuality is caused by a lack of bonding with the same sex parent, and it resonated with what AphroditeGoneAwry knows to be true! Just look at that mountain of evidence guys. How could anyone possibly disagree with the view that homosexuality can be "cured", now that it has been definitively proven?
    In general, as someone who has interacted with and undergone various approaches to conversion therapy, I'd say that I understand why people buy into it (and it's explained in such a way as to fit in neatly with their views of God and the universe), but if you get outside of that framework and just evaluate it on merits + outcome, it fails miserably. In fact, the entire paradigm fails... which is why we're always hearing stories about people leaving Exodus and whatever other groups indulge in that kind of thing. Being ex-gay is almost used as an identity in itself and offer a kind of socially structured role to insert oneself into.

    The "True Scotsman" fallacy doesn't go very far.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    Damn it, I bought into another historical myth. Sorry about that.
    Sigh. I can't seem to step anywhere with getting another historical myth on my shoes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    Do you think some of those things I just listed are a little ridiculous though?

    So for example - I wore a wool sweater yesterday. That apparently is a sin.

    I assure you though it was only the finest quality wool.

    Then there was the sushi I had the day before and the escargot that I had the month before that...
    lol. That was before christ. At the time the bible also served as a guide for the jews. Don't eat pork because its disgusting and unclean. As far as I know, pork is still that way, we just pump it full of antibiotics and have technology to prevent us from dying.

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    Yeah, I see a lot of the OT rules as "separation/cleanliness" rules to (1) separate Israel tangibly from other cultures and prevent their assimilation, and (2) to prevent epidemics from wiping out the tribes.

    Those issues are not relevant in today's western world, in general (although I guess there are sects that want to remain distinct from secular culture and will impose standards to accomplish that).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octavarium View Post
    Wow! Stacey Dooley did a BBC 3 documentary about men who had had gay conversion therapy and were still struggling with their sexuality! And she interviewed a psychiatrist/psychologist who thinks homosexuality is caused by a lack of bonding with the same sex parent, and it resonated with what AphroditeGoneAwry knows to be true! Just look at that mountain of evidence guys. How could anyone possibly disagree with the view that homosexuality can be "cured", now that it has been definitively proven?

    Point is, being 'homosexual' is a choice, based on a dysfunctional childhood relationship. Heterosexual is, by nature, how we are made. There is one perfect Divine partner made just for you, and if you decide to pursue and apply your own willfulness in a sexually immoral way, being led by unmet needs, that is your choice! But it is a choice.

    We become addicts to various things based on dysfunctional childhood issues as well. How do we deal with these? We eschew them, avoid them, go to support groups to get other struggling people to help us cope with them, and attend therapy to replace them. God can heal us from addictions and actually change us.

    It is the same with being homosexual. Sure, you can keep this addiction to something unhealthy, but you won't be as healthy as you would otherwise be if you tried to overcome it, and asked God to help you heal. The fact that gay relationships are so fleeting is another indicator they are not rooted in a divine foundation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Point is, being 'homosexual' is a choice, based on a dysfunctional childhood relationship. Heterosexual is, by nature, how we are made. There is one perfect Divine partner made just for you, and if you decide to pursue and apply your own willfulness in a sexually immoral way, being led by unmet needs, that is your choice! But it is a choice.

    It is the same with being homosexual. Sure, you can keep this addiction to something unhealthy, but you won't be as healthy as you would otherwise be if you tried to overcome it, and asked God to help you heal. The fact that gay relationships are so fleeting is another indicator they are not rooted in a divine foundation.
    I almost think you're trolling the forum, here. You truly believe this?
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    Seriously, Aphrodite, you need to find other ways to cope with your mommy issues. This pseudo-christian propaganda is just too stupid.


    Quote Originally Posted by PeaceBaby View Post
    I almost think you're trolling the forum, here. You truly believe this?
    That Dawkins book was aptly named, The God Delusion.

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