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    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Flame View Post
    Yeah, ancient greek men used to have sex with boys at parties... They were without christianity. Hmm... I wonder if that was before the birth of christ? assuming they didn't have an opportunity to meet christ.
    It was before. Male (and female) prostitutes existed in the Gentile culture long before Jesus. They were especially active at the 'high places' where rituals were performed to Baal and Asherah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    My Divine partner, if he exists, has the sex of a male. He might be slightly gender-confused, but he will be a male nonetheless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post

    The Truth about homosexuality, and hypersexuality, and asexuality seems to point in the direction of nurture, not nature. But that does not mean one cannot choose to live how one decides to. As I said God is COMPLETELY TOLERANT OF OUR CHOICES. Jesus is too. They are both gentlemen. That does not mean that you won't face Him someday and have to explain your choices, but if He allows you to choose, who are mere humans to tell you that you cannot?

    Having said that, Christians have a responsibility to 'rebuke' their brethren when they see them committing sin (as homosexuality and sexual immorality is sin), but then to step back and leave them alone.

    I think you most definitely have a sound basis for your desire to bond with men to stem from your lack of bonding with a consistent male role model, especially in your formative years. Playing with certain toys makes little difference ultimately in one's psychosocial and sexual well-being. A boy can love pink, love dress-up, love his fingernails painted, love girl toys, but still turn out being a boy, and able to love the woman God made for him.
    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Flame View Post
    My personal view on homosexuality is that, like all other forms of sin, homosexuals choose to not hold faith in god's love, and thus seek it in ways that they can artificually create. When man seeks to empower himself without god, he turns to sin. When man seeks to empower himself through a force more powerful than himself, he turns away from sin and seeks the holy spirit. Only with love can a man bring another man out of his own self made hell.
    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    My point is that having a link between gay men (or women) does not likely mean they were born being gay. Though it does mean that switch is probably more likely to be flipped with the 'right' or wrong, environment.

    Meaning, some men need to bond more than others with their male counterparts. If those guys don't have a male role model or loving figure, it makes sense that they will be more likely to need to seek it out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Azure Flame View Post
    to be more precise, I believe each personality can have its own reason for turning gay. I don't know what that is but I'm certain its there. If I were to turn gay it would probably be because I lost hope in females and looked for someone just as desperate as myself for love. But I'm sure other personalities may have their reasons.
    I guess it does seem possible that nurture does have some role in homosexuality but personally I think it likely that genetics has a lot more do do with it than anything else. I recall always liking girls - from the time I was 5 - which is as far back as I can remember. Was that because of how I was raised as a small child? I doubt it.

    All relationships are dysfunctional in some way. It's just a matter of degree. No parent is perfect, dysfunctional behaviors that are passed down from generation to generation and there are plain personality differences that exist between parent and child. It would be nice if it were not like that I suppose but it just is.

    I have read the references in the Old Testament about homosexuality as well as the references in the New Testament that refer to those Old Testament concepts. Jesus actually never said homosexuality was a sin. Other people did though. For example, there is this:

    Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

    But then there are also these things.

    Leviticus 11:4 “Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.”

    Leviticus 11:10 “And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you.”

    Leviticus 11:27 “And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even.”

    Leviticus 11:28–29 “These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind, and the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.”

    Leviticus 11:13–20 “These are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the osprey, and the vulture, and the kite after his kind; every raven after his kind; and the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind, and the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl, and the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat. All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.”

    Leviticus 10:6 “Uncover not your heads, neither rend your clothes; lest ye die, and lest wrath come upon all the people.”

    Leviticus 19:19 “Neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.”

    Leviticus 19:27 “Neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.”

    Leviticus 19:19 “Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind.”

    Leviticus 5:2 “If a soul touch any unclean thing, whether it be a carcase of an unclean beast, or a carcase of unclean cattle, or the carcase of unclean creeping things, and if it be hidden from him; he also shall be unclean, and guilty.”

    Leviticus 12:4–5 “And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying three and thirty days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled. But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.”

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    wait so if people know what they like 5 or younger, what does it mean if you didn't know until after you were 18?
    In no likes experiment.

    that is all

    i dunno what else to say so

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I guess it does seem possible that nurture does have some role in homosexuality but personally I think it likely that genetics has a lot more do do with it than anything else. I recall always liking girls - from the time I was 5 - which is as far back as I can remember. Was that because of how I was raised as a small child? I doubt it.

    All relationships are dysfunctional in some way. It's just a matter of degree. No parent is perfect, dysfunctional behaviors that are passed down from generation to generation and there are plain personality differences that exist between parent and child. It would be nice if it were not like that I suppose but it just is.

    I have read the references in the Old Testament about homosexuality as well as the references in the New Testament that refer to those Old Testament concepts. Jesus actually never said homosexuality was a sin. Other people did though. For example, there is this:

    Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

    But then there are also these things.

    Leviticus 11:4 “Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.”

    Leviticus 11:10 “And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you.”

    Leviticus 11:27 “And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even.”

    Leviticus 11:28–29 “These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind, and the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.”

    Leviticus 11:13–20 “These are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the osprey, and the vulture, and the kite after his kind; every raven after his kind; and the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind, and the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl, and the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle, and the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat. All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.”

    Leviticus 10:6 “Uncover not your heads, neither rend your clothes; lest ye die, and lest wrath come upon all the people.”

    Leviticus 19:19 “Neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee.”

    Leviticus 19:27 “Neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.”

    Leviticus 19:19 “Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind.”

    Leviticus 5:2 “If a soul touch any unclean thing, whether it be a carcase of an unclean beast, or a carcase of unclean cattle, or the carcase of unclean creeping things, and if it be hidden from him; he also shall be unclean, and guilty.”

    Leviticus 12:4–5 “And she shall then continue in the blood of her purifying three and thirty days; she shall touch no hallowed thing, nor come into the sanctuary, until the days of her purifying be fulfilled. But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.”

    I love Leviticus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    I love Leviticus.
    Do you think some of those things I just listed are a little ridiculous though?

    So for example - I wore a wool sweater yesterday. That apparently is a sin.

    I assure you though it was only the finest quality wool.

    Then there was the sushi I had the day before and the escargot that I had the month before that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    It might just mean that there is an area in the brain of those people that needs a strong attachment to a person of the same gender. i.e. those people are affected MORE not having that nurturing same-sex parent relationship than others. And so if that attachment does not come from the father or consistent male role model, then those people are going to be more likely to feel driven to get that need met in a sexual loving way. Whereas another male (or female) who didn't bond, and who doesn't have that area activated in the brain, is able to go on without intensely desiring a relationship with a person of the same gender.
    Do you have any support for your claim that people who didn't have a strong bond with their same sex parent are more likely to be gay?

    Either way, we've established that each person's sexual orientation is caused by factors outside their control; it's at least partially genetic, and even if your bonding theory is correct, we don't get to choose whether we have loving parents. That means no one can be held responsible for which gender(s) they find sexually attractive. We can be held responsible for choosing to act on our desires, but if you believe that 1) God is omnibenevolent, and 2) God considers homosexuality to be a sin, why would you also believe that God created a system in which, through no fault of their own, some people are more tempted to sin than others?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octavarium View Post
    Do you have any support for your claim that people who didn't have a strong bond with their same sex parent are more likely to be gay?

    ?
    According to this, I should be bi. I have a strong bond with both my parents.
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    i dunno what else to say so

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    I guess my point is that there are enough things that we do every day that are actually really sinful and that we can exert some control over rather than to to focus on those things that we are born with.

    The common thing about sin is that it tends to harm others. Being gay doesn't harm anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    According to this, I should be bi. I have a strong bond with both my parents.
    I don't think @AphroditeGoneAwry was saying that people who have a strong bond with both their parents will be bi, just that homosexuals are people who have a particularly strong need to bond with their same sex parent, but don't have that bond. Anyway, in case you were asking me, I'm not endorsing that theory; just pointing out its implications.

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