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    God is but a metaphor, one that humanizes the universe and deems it a deity that watches out for us, ultimately knows what's best for us, and leads us in this strange and harsh world. Unfortunately, those who have seen past the metaphor into what the universe truly is are far worse off than those that still see the universe and god as separate entities, for we are the ones who understand that the universe is no benevolent god, but is instead a series of calculations that are desperately trying to reach a singular equilibrium, and will stop at nothing to achieve such. The universe is an algorithm, and we are the variables, constantly impacting the environment and destabilizing the universe's attempts at equilibrium, but it ultimately will win, for once we die, we become constant and fixed as a zero, nothing. The point of view may live on in different manifestations and times, but ultimately time remains linear in existence and will therefore carry us to equilibrium despite any of our attempts to add life and energy to the system. We mean nothing to this existence, in fact, we are more trouble than we are worth to the universe; the only thing we can do is live our lives to the fullest and experience the experience of life.

    God does exist, but it is merely a misnomer for the most beautiful and detailed machine that stands before us, existence. Ultimately, the universe is God, existence is God, and we are God, 'till death do us part.

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    No, it's the other way around for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alea_iacta_est View Post
    God is but a metaphor, one that humanizes the universe and deems it a deity that watches out for us, ultimately knows what's best for us, and leads us in this strange and harsh world. Unfortunately, those who have seen past the metaphor into what the universe truly is are far worse off than those that still see the universe and god as separate entities, for we are the ones who understand that the universe is no benevolent god, but is instead a series of calculations that are desperately trying to reach a singular equilibrium, and will stop at nothing to achieve such. The universe is an algorithm, and we are the variables, constantly impacting the environment and destabilizing the universe's attempts at equilibrium, but it ultimately will win, for once we die, we become constant and fixed as a zero, nothing. The point of view may live on in different manifestations and times, but ultimately time remains linear in existence and will therefore carry us to equilibrium despite any of our attempts to add life and energy to the system. We mean nothing to this existence, in fact, we are more trouble than we are worth to the universe; the only thing we can do is live our lives to the fullest and experience the experience of life.

    God does exist, but it is merely a misnomer for the most beautiful and detailed machine that stands before us, existence. Ultimately, the universe is God, existence is God, and we are God, 'till death do us part.
    We are gods. Our knowledge and technology is clearly godlike to our primate relatives. We smash subatomic particles together at the speed of light. We are magic.

    Thing is, if we survive, I think we have a damn good shot of beating the universe. Our technology is still quite primitive. We are a type 0 on the Kardashev scale. What will it be like when we reach type 3 and harness the power of the supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way? What will we have discovered, how will we have changed ourselves? The laws of nature will long since have become our bitches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zago View Post
    We are gods. Our knowledge and technology is clearly godlike to our primate relatives. We smash subatomic particles together at the speed of light. We are magic.

    Thing is, if we survive, I think we have a damn good shot of beating the universe. Our technology is still quite primitive. We are a type 0 on the Kardashev scale. What will it be like when we reach type 3 and harness the power of the supermassive black hole at the center of the Milky Way? What will we have discovered, how will we have changed ourselves? The laws of nature will long since have become our bitches.
    Unless we can somehow create massive amounts of chaos to the universe forever, heat death will consume us all if we last that long. Plus you have to figure out a way to create stars because in a zettasecond all of the stars will have disintegrated or become black holes.

    My post was more philosophical in the sense that we are god due to the fact that everything is god, I was not really considering how we might be gods technologically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zago View Post
    We are gods.
    We are wise to rememember we are complex, multi-celled animals.

    And in the history of life on Earth over the last four and a half billion years, complex, multi-celled animals have had a short evolutionary life span.

    And so we will also have a short evolutionary life span.

    Perhaps our only comfort is that we are the only inter-subjective species, and so we can comfort one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mole View Post
    We are wise to rememember we are complex, multi-celled animals.

    And in the history of life on Earth over the last four and a half billion years, complex, multi-celled animals have had a short evolutionary life span.

    And so we will also have a short evolutionary life span.

    Perhaps our only comfort is that we are the only inter-subjective species, and so we can comfort one another.
    Apes and bobonos aren't inter-subjective and can't comfort each other? Apparently dolphins aren't either.
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    No. I actually find it liberating.

    It means humans set our own agenda, and that the sky is the limit.

    Also, it doesn't mean "humans will lack morals". Morals are shaped by the individual and his or her own background, temperament, personality, upbringing, etc.
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    I was taught to be terrified by the thought of Hell existing by the Redemptorist Fathers when I was a little boy.

    As I grew up I realised I had been emotionally abused by the Redemptorist Fathers, so I rang them and asked for an apology.

    They refused to apologise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by serenesam View Post
    I'll start with myself. Yes it does. As a human being part of the human species, I can tell what human beings may be capable of and as knowledge and intellect increases, there is this potentiality of humans ending up destroying or decimating themselves along with other lifeforms on this planet. As Michel de Montaigne once said “I have never seen a greater monster or miracle in the world than myself.”

    Now going into crazy territory of life after death and the assumption that a soul exists, I think even such an afterlife can be quite "not as heavenly as one might have assumed when one was alive in the physical corporeal form." Who knows what the political system is on The Other Side or the Afterlife whether it be communism, socialism, libertarianism, anarchism, dictatorship, monarchy, capitalism, anarchosynicalism, anarchocapitalism, fiscal conservatism, some kind of tyrannical or non-tyrannical system, etc. It could very well be heaven or hell or consists of some degree of both the good and the bad.
    I'm not really frightened of the godless prospect. If an afterlife exists, and if its benevolence is contingent on behavior in this life, I shouldn't fare too badly. If the afterlife setup is non-existent or random, then why worry? Your concern wouldn't help improve your position in either case.

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    I'm more of the camp that the idea of god (and related thing) existing is more disturbing than lack of. Part of the reason is, there is literally no way for anyone to possibly figure out what is "correct" to believe, and many of the possible outcomes of it are not good. If there is nothing, then there is nothing afterwards, and thus no consequences. Yes it sucks to think that this is it, but, well, it's better than if there was something afterwards.

    I've had several bouts in my life where I've been suicidal, and as a result I am sort of numbed to the concept of death and subsequently oblivian. Where I am at now, nope I definitely don't want to die. However if something were to instantly kill me at random, I can't say I'd be all that upset by it. Of course, I'd be dead without any way to react with it. What matters to me most is I either end on a good, or 100% apathetic note.
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